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A girlfriend on mine  (mid teens) was devastated when her father finally left her mother for a man. She still loved him, but…..their relationship never recovered, mostly because of how others reacted and the years of lies by her father. Probably to protect his family. Amazing how some people think they can judge others ignorant of the…[Read more]

Bill wrote:

I’m not so sure that the feelings of shoulds and shouldn’ts is necessarily a naturally occurring one – at least not when it comes to sexual pleasure.

These shoulds and shouldn’ts are called norms: ideal cooperative behaviour.  So, a moral norm is an ideal way to be cooperative, and a sexual norm is a way to be cooperative around…[Read more]

Bill wrote:

I’m not so sure that the feelings of shoulds and shouldn’ts is necessarily a naturally occurring one – at least not when it comes to sexual pleasure.

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@Davis, good point. Some of the worst human atrocities, like during and after war, expanded the victor’s gene pool. One study claims that one man in 200 on earth has descended from Genghis Khan.

While looking for more recent studies, I ran across a couple more interesting ones discovering a significant loss of diversity of Y chromosomes, likely…[Read more]

PopeBeanie wrote:

as crude as that will sound to many people still naturally feeling their strong shoulds and shouldn’ts.

I’m not so sure that the feelings of shoulds and shouldn’ts is necessarily a naturally occurring one – at least not when it comes to sexual pleasure. It seems there are probably very few moral imperatives (such as p…[Read more]

Fair point.

WHO created the universe? I know it is god who did it. Who else is powerful enough to do that? Anyways sumthin can’t come from nuthin. Atheists just like to be contrary…either that or they’re communists.

 scientifically that such strong social connections in fact enhance survival in some species

And of course the opposite. Sexual harassment and abuse, an extremely toxic and malicious by-product of human sexual behavior, no doubt does mostly the opposite. May pass on genes but for most cases in human history, in a less than ideal or beneficial way…[Read more]

Davis wrote:

It seems obvious that there is an evolutionary bias toward sexual relations that can pass along genes, anything else is frivolous in a sense Humans evolved to be sexual WELL outside of their fertile zones. So yeah, you could call it “frivolous” in that sense but it has numerous other benefits than simple procreation. Passing on the…

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Here is an article “Is Gender a social construct”? from  Sunday school Dec. 1st.  Like most debates or arguments it is often down to the meaning we assign to words.

Davis wrote:

it has numerous other benefits than simple procreation

It’s now about people (and say, bonobos) enhancing their social connections to each other via sexual pleasure, as crude as that will sound to many people still naturally feeling their strong shoulds and shouldn’ts. I would bet that some day it will even be provable scientifically…[Read more]

It seems obvious that there is an evolutionary bias toward sexual relations that can pass along genes, anything else is frivolous in a sense

Humans evolved to be sexual WELL outside of their fertile zones. So yeah, you could call it “frivolous” in that sense but it has numerous other benefits than simple procreation. Passing on the genes isn’t…[Read more]

Simon Paynton wrote:

I don’t understand why evolution would select for sexual fluidity.

I think most people, by nature, take their own inclinations/orientations for granted, unless prejudiced early on by culture. Not just for granted in fact, but as a primal essence of their self, when given the opportunity to be their genuine self. Growing up, I…[Read more]

I don’t understand why evolution would select for sexual fluidity.  But I know that non-human animals are very sexually fluid.  I guess because the sexual instinct is so strong in itself, and it’s a part of the enjoyment of life.

Maybe evolution doesn’t select for sexual fluidity, but playful behaviour.

Ivy wrote:

Is it possible that all men and women are fluid when it comes to our sexual orientation? I wonder if sexual orientation is even a “real” thing…

It seems obvious that there is an evolutionary bias toward sexual relations that can pass along genes, anything else is frivolous in a sense.

Jake has responded best. A lot more investigation has to be done. While I have no doubt more people would be more open to different sexual experiences if it weren’t for cultural conditioning (most especially the horror of the Abrahamic religions that still haunts the world quite viciously in many places). Alcohol and prison does change things but…[Read more]

You guys and gals are mostly not addressing Ivy’s question.

Yes, sexual orientation is real. As pope indicates it is necessary in terms of evolution. Sexual fluidity is also real. However, not all humans are fluid.

I have not read many studies. But there are obvious ways to investigate the issue: anonymous polls, prisoners and especially…[Read more]

I think society has pushed us to a place where a majority doesn’t even understand the concept of sexual fluidity. We have almost boomeranged back to a place where people can open their mind to it and over time, I think sexual fluidity will become more natural and common.

Simon Paynton wrote:

If you ask me, it’s normal to be bisexual. People who are all straight are probably in the minority. Some men are attracted to Thai lady-boys, as a kind of third gender-orientation.

In my vast experience, females are much more likely to consider engaging in same sex encounters as within the range of normality than males a…[Read more]