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jakelafort posted an update 2 hours, 34 minutes ago
Oppressed groups or individuals do not improve their lot without a fight. Being passive and resigned to the oppression results in status quo. It is true in both the microcosm and macrocosm. Gay rights, civil rights, suffragettes, bullied kids, abused spouses etc.
Tactics or manners of rights activists will have an impact on results. Individuals…[Read more]
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Simon Paynton replied to the topic
Sunday School 21st February 2021 in the forum Sunday School 8 hours, 18 minutes ago
I’ve got nothing to say that I haven’t said 9 times already. I shake your hand Kristina.
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Kristina replied to the topic
Sunday School 21st February 2021 in the forum Sunday School 8 hours, 47 minutes ago
edit: I’ve decided in hindsight this is my last post in the exchange. By all means, I won’t begrudge you a response to it. No disrespect and no hard feelings, but I feel we’ve run this circle well past the point of absurdity. It feels like you’ve not really addressed what I’ve been saying, and whatever it is you may feel I am missing in your… -
Simon Paynton replied to the topic
Sunday School 21st February 2021 in the forum Sunday School 9 hours, 43 minutes ago
You posted the same answer twice.On the issues of equity, equality and human rights, the general population. That’s where it starts. I’ve already been over this. Did you think the stuff I was talking about in my first post was from the extreme right? It’s not. It’s prevalent in the general population.
But two wrongs don’t make a…[Read more]
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Kristina replied to the topic
Sunday School 21st February 2021 in the forum Sunday School 10 hours, 28 minutes ago
Kristina – that’s fine, and I do take a responsibility to educate myself about marginalised groups and their difficulties.
Do you? You said it took you 3-4 years to come around to ideas that I flat out swear to you were presented reasonably by other activists that were not that difficult to search out. On nearly every iss…[Read more]
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Simon Paynton replied to the topic
Sunday School 21st February 2021 in the forum Sunday School 10 hours, 33 minutes ago
I don’t have to explain to you why I wasn’t “woke” enough. If an idea doesn’t have credibility, I’m not going to be attracted to it.
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Kristina replied to the topic
Sunday School 21st February 2021 in the forum Sunday School 10 hours, 36 minutes ago
Kristina – that’s fine, and I do take a responsibility to educate myself about marginalised groups and their difficulties.
Do you? You said it took you two years to come around to ideas that I flat out swear to you were presented reasonably by other activists that were not that difficult to search out. On nearly every iss…[Read more]
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Simon Paynton replied to the topic
Sunday School 21st February 2021 in the forum Sunday School 11 hours, 28 minutes ago
Kristina – that’s fine, and I do take a responsibility to educate myself about marginalised groups and their difficulties. But if someone’s acting like a silly arse, while trying to tell everyone they have problems – people aren’t going to believe they have problems. That’s the way people are. It’s not morally wrong. It just is. Ther…[Read more]
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Davis replied to the topic
Sunday School 21st February 2021 in the forum Sunday School 18 hours, 41 minutes ago
They may or may not be outliers. I can understand people making a fuss about things. But it depends how they do it. These outliers love trouble. Sometimes it just turns off the people they’re presumably hoping to convert.
Simon it seems to me that you are being as ridiculously over-outraged over the very over-outrage you are criticising.
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Reg the Fronkey Farmer replied to the topic
Sunday School 21st February 2021 in the forum Sunday School 19 hours, 40 minutes ago
Hey Kristina – “This post has now been featured” 🙂 🙂
Plus what Strega said.
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Kristina replied to the topic
Sunday School 21st February 2021 in the forum Sunday School 20 hours, 12 minutes ago
Davis! Ketchup on hotdogs ! Your kind has no place in my world. Better not come around here. So Disgusting. Joey 10:2 “thou shall take only mustard on the hotdog or may 10,000 wild boar trample the traitor.”
Question: As a pro-ketchup heathen, will I have a chance to pet one of the boars before the death trampling happens? Are the…[Read more]
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Kristina replied to the topic
Sunday School 21st February 2021 in the forum Sunday School 20 hours, 17 minutes ago
And if even now you’re characterizing wokeness as witch-burners, well, I’m going to go out on a limb and say surely you have lost your perspective.
You’ve educated me about your perspective as a trans woman, which I appreciate, and given me a glimpse into your “woke world”, which I also appreciate. But you h…
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Kristina replied to the topic
Sunday School 21st February 2021 in the forum Sunday School 20 hours, 30 minutes ago
No, I’m saying I’ve seen it happen as a persistent activism style.What does that have to do with being woke, specifically? I told you flat out, on the other end I have personally been through that and far worse. I don’t use that as an excuse to shut down all conversation.
If somebody is screaming into somebody’s face, metap…
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Simon Paynton replied to the topic
Sunday School 21st February 2021 in the forum Sunday School 20 hours, 52 minutes ago
And if even now you’re characterizing wokeness as witch-burners, well, I’m going to go out on a limb and say surely you have lost your perspective.
You’ve educated me about your perspective as a trans woman, which I appreciate, and given me a glimpse into your “woke world”, which I also appreciate. But you haven’t entirely conv…[Read more]
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_Robert_ replied to the topic
Sunday School 21st February 2021 in the forum Sunday School 21 hours, 55 minutes ago
Davis! Ketchup on hotdogs ! Your kind has no place in my world. Better not come around here. So Disgusting.
Joey 10:2
“thou shall take only mustard on the hotdog or may 10,000 wild boar trample the traitor.”
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Davis replied to the topic
Sunday School 21st February 2021 in the forum Sunday School 23 hours, 37 minutes ago
If somebody is screaming into somebody’s face, metaphorically or otherwise, purely because they disagree – nobody is going to take seriously what they have to say
No Simon. I would say that decades of inaction (nobody caring to change harmful oppressive cultural norms) and then people getting loud bringing about actually change would show that you…[Read more]
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Simon Paynton replied to the topic
Sunday School 21st February 2021 in the forum Sunday School 1 day, 1 hour ago
Are you now entertaining bullshit to patronize them, or have you come around to the realization that hey, it’s not all bullshit?
That’s a reasonable question. I was anti-racist, anti-sexist, pro-LBGT+ etc. before, but I wasn’t familiar with some of the newer manifestations of these. These newer manifestations (some of them) too…[Read more]
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Simon Paynton replied to the topic
Sunday School 21st February 2021 in the forum Sunday School 1 day, 2 hours ago
Are you now saying you were being bullied?
No, I’m saying I’ve seen it happen as a persistent activism style.
I am asking why you used that as some sort of excuse to write off the portions that weren’t bullshit.
If somebody is screaming into somebody’s face, metaphorically or otherwise, purely because they disagree – nobody is g…[Read more]
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Strega and
Kristina are now friends 1 day, 3 hours ago
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Davis replied to the topic
Sunday School 21st February 2021 in the forum Sunday School 1 day, 3 hours ago
And yet, it seems to indicate a wider culture of self-righteous rudeness and incivility as a response to disagreement.
It’s a pity you continue to feel this way.
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