Al Gore Vs. Algorithms is Off-Beat with The Bill of Rights

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  • #51691

    TheEncogitationer
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    Fellow Unbelievers,

    The First Amendment, the Second Amendment, the entire Bill of Rights, are all of a single piece. They rise and fall together. A Government that violates one right will eventually go for the rest.

    Al Gore calls social media algorithms ‘digital’ AR-15s
    BY LAUREN SFORZA – 12/05/23 10:37 PM ET

    Al Gore calls social media algorithms ‘digital’ AR-15s

    Remember, folks: It is not a Slippery Slope Fallacy if it is real, especially if it is law that is based on precedent.

    • This topic was modified 2 months, 3 weeks ago by  TheEncogitationer. Reason: Addendum
    #51693

    jakelafort
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    Gore makes a good point. I wish he had the courage to come out against indoctrination of babies through religious mind viruses. Instead we go with the lie that religion is a moral imperative. That has to account in part for the far left licking the boots of Islam.

    It is monumental issue that has to be tackled. How it will go? I am not sure algorithms in social media invoke the first amendment. If they’re outlawed ya got the necessary state action. But WHO is the speaker and what interest is being furthered in permitting that WHO to speak. How do we balance the interests of the WHO with the us?

    #51701

    Unseen
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    @ Jake

    We legally limit algorithms in various contexts. Here are some areas where legal restrictions or guidelines may apply:

    Intellectual Property Laws: Algorithms, especially if they involve unique and innovative methods, may be subject to intellectual property laws such as patents or trade secrets.

    Antitrust and Competition Laws: In some cases, the use of algorithms in business practices may raise antitrust concerns, especially if they lead to anti-competitive behavior, collusion, or market manipulation.

    Privacy Laws: Algorithms used in data processing and analytics, particularly in the context of personal data, may be subject to privacy laws.

    Bias and Discrimination: Algorithms that have biased outcomes, particularly in sensitive areas such as hiring, lending, or law enforcement, may be subject to legal scrutiny.

    Algorithmic Trading: Financial markets may have regulations governing algorithmic trading to ensure market integrity and prevent manipulation.

    Cybersecurity Laws: If algorithms are used in ways that compromise the security of computer systems or networks, they may be subject to cybersecurity laws and regulations.

    #51702

    TheEncogitationer
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    Fellow Unbelievers,

    Folks, algorithms are simply a list of instructions which a computer implements when a certain set of conditions are met. Algorithms are, like other inanimate, non-living, non-conscious, non-rational, amoral objects, only as good or as bad as the purposes towards which living, conscious, rational, moral agents put them.

    Intellectual Property, privacy, and cybersecurity laws are meant to protect Individual Rights to Life, Liberty, and Property in the Cyberspace world. The rest of the economic laws, not so much and those are typically meant by Government to create entry restrictions and/or pick winners and losers in the marketplace.

    By contrast to this crucial distinction, Al Gore wants to treat all algorithms like his ball-and-chain Tipper Gore wanted to treat music, as something that acts on helpless humans who have no Volition or agency. And he wants to do this against would-be political opponents and simultaneously in the name of “freedom” and “democracy.”

    You’d think the man who claimed he created the Internet would know better. 😁

    #51703

    jakelafort
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    Algorithms are ruining horse racing. Syndicates are wagering ungodly sums as the race goes off and killing every underlay or as they say in business-market inefficiency. So wise guys like me who had the average Joe over a barrel at the race track have lost their edge. I am mad as hell and i aint gonna take it no more.

    #51704

    Unseen
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    Algorithms are ruining horse racing. Syndicates are wagering ungodly sums as the race goes off and killing every underlay or as they say in business-market inefficiency. So wise guys like me who had the average Joe over a barrel at the race track have lost their edge. I am mad as hell and i aint gonna take it no more.

    Let’s fuck ’em up by putting an end to this abuse of horses.

    #51705

    jakelafort
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    Let’s fuck ’em up by putting an end to this abuse of horses.

    Hmm.

    If abuse is the barometer lets compare it to factory farming.

    Maybe it is just me but i would rather be treated like gold, brushed and made of in the morning, into my quotidian exercise routine, befriended by a goat and compete against my peers while living la vida loca in that i am living the way i was bred to live. And then those lovely afternoons fairly kissed by the gentle zephyrs and frolicking in the bluegrass as i grow a bit fat living the good life. Ah these extended vacations from work!

    Or how would i like to be among the billions of sentient, emotional kin bred to have a horrible life, every second of it, before i am ruthlessly slaughtered and bent on my life’s mission to be human shit?

    #51706

    Unseen
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    @ Jake

    Cattle and other animal crops serve a valid purpose. Every creature on Earth is food for something else. That includes you and me. There’s nothing unnatural about eating the kind of food nature designed us to eat. If a hungry bear attacks and eats me, would we say that the bear shouldn’t have killed me because I’m sentient and therefor I should be spared?

    On the other hand, what’s natural about forcing horses to run around a track, in peril of suffering a life-ending accident merely for the amusement of a bunch of gamblers (many of them gambling addicts) who should have something better to do with both their money and their time?

    #51707

    Simon Paynton
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    Cattle and other animal crops serve a valid purpose. Every creature on Earth is food for something else.

    They serve a purpose (food) but they’re also suffocating the Earth, with their greenhouse gases and environmental degradation.

    #51708

    TheEncogitationer
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    Jake,

    If there’s some kind of cheating going on (I know nothing about gambling or games of chance or their rules of conduct,) the fault would be with the creator of the algorithm, not the algorithm.

    Let’s not outlaw Porky Pig’s Mom from writing a grocery list for him: “A l-l-oaf of b-b-bread, a b-b-b-bottle of m-m-milk, and c-c-come home right away!” 🐷

    #51709

    Unseen
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    Cattle and other animal crops serve a valid purpose. Every creature on Earth is food for something else.

    They serve a purpose (food) but they’re also suffocating the Earth, with their greenhouse gases and environmental degradation.

    Where do greenhouse gases come from? The main categories are…

    Energy: Approximately 73% of global greenhouse gas emissions.
    Industry: Around 19% of global greenhouse gas emissions.
    Land Use and Forestry: Approximately 6% of global greenhouse gas emissions.
    Agriculture: Roughly 10-12% of global greenhouse gas emissions.
    Waste: About 3% of global greenhouse gas emissions.

    Obviously, the energy areas most ripe for fixing the climate issue are energy and industry and we rely on technological advances for that. We can also apply technology to animal agriculture as well, reducing gases by changing their diet, capturing greenhouse gases.

    Increasing the producton of vegetable-based foods has environmental problems of its own, since it has a negative effect in terms of reducing habitat for natural animals and plants whereas cattle, for example, can share habitat with the plants and animals that live on the land on which they graze.

    Carbon dioxide is the biggest greenhouse gas problem and a big part of controling carbon dioxide is maximizing forestlands, fields, and prairies full of green plants that use CO2 as food.

    #51710

    jakelafort
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    Enco it aint like that man.

    Synoptically it is an unfair advantage given to a business that has always been for individuals. The syndicates have developed software using algorithms that determined probative factors or combinations of factors using data from tens or hundreds of thousands of races. The algorithms determine fair value for all straight and exotic wagers. The businesses exploit the betting public by getting special access(that only they get) to all of the pools and wagering in quantities in all mutual pools in a way that would be impossible for humans. They literally kill the overlays. So me in the past licking my chops cuz i got knowledge without going to college about some big overlay is in the past and fading fast.

    #51711

    jakelafort
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    Ain’t it funny how we justify the depraved cruelty to animals with notions of usefulness. Is it better for the environment if… Is it better for our health if… Does it taste better than… It is natural therefore it is justified..

    Nothing, no concern with animal welfare. And this is after we realize how fucking special our cat or dog or canary. Our lack of empathy is scary.

    #51712

    Simon Paynton
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    Increasing the producton of vegetable-based foods has environmental problems of its own, since it has a negative effect in terms of reducing habitat for natural animals and plants whereas cattle, for example, can share habitat with the plants and animals that live on the land on which they graze.

    But it’s many times more efficient for humans to get their food directly from plants, than turn it into cows and chickens and get it that way.  So, plant food uses proportionately a lot less land.

    Cattle live on monocultures of grass.  They don’t share their habitat with other species of animals.

    #51714

    Unseen
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    @ Jake

    Live on in your Dreamland where animals die a painless and stress free death with their friends and relatives gathered around them to see them off to The Happy Hunting Ground. And not in pain from disease and/or while a predator or predator(s) eat them alive as they are dying.

    You just don’t want any blood on your hands.

    Most animals do not die in their sleep of old age.

    I could put up some very graphic nature videos if you doubt me!

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