Did Marco Polo actually witness a levitating Monk on his journey eastward?

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    michael17
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    #40667

    _Robert_
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    It was just a monk-shaped orange alien spacecraft.

    #40669

    michael17
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    Did Marco Polo actually witness a levitating Monk on his journey eastward? We don’t know.  But monks have been doing body temperature changes under scientifically controlled conditions, even producing steam and combustion. However the following levitation should be done under controlled conditions also.
    https://vm.tiktok.com/TTPdM9qSUt/

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    Unseen
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    If that’s what Marco Polo thought he saw, he got gamed. Street performers all over the world use that trick to beg for food or money.

    #40672

    Unseen
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    Did Marco Polo actually witness a levitating Monk on his journey eastward? We don’t know. But monks have been doing body temperature changes under scientifically controlled conditions, even producing steam and combustion. However the following levitation should be done under controlled conditions also. https://vm.tiktok.com/TTPdM9qSUt/

    Steam and combustion? I’m guessing you don’t have a peer-reviewed scientific article source for that. If you do, produce it.

    You seemingly have absolutely no ability to disbelieve the most ridiculous kind of woo. If you read somewhere that there’s a monk who can crack billiard balls between his butt cheeks, you ‘d go around reporting it as fact.

    #40673

    michael17
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    @unseen,

    I am requesting scientifically controlled conditions, otherwise nothing can be accepted. I know a monk. They are not magicians. They sincerely believe what they are doing, However we still need to have claims verified.  Below a claim is verified by Harvard:

    https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/harvard-study-confirms-tibetan-monks-can-raise-body-temperature-with-their-minds/

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    #40677

    Unseen
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    @unseen, I am requesting scientifically controlled conditions, otherwise nothing can be accepted. I know a monk. They are not magicians. They sincerely believe what they are doing, However we still need to have claims verified. Below a claim is verified by Harvard: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/harvard-study-confirms-tibetan-monks-can-raise-body-temperature-with-their-minds/

    Nice try, Michael, but raising your body temperature enough to produce steam (you need to boil water to produce steam) and cause combustion (something bursts into flames…what? his loin cloth?)…that is a bit far-fetched.

    #40678

    michael17
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    @unseen,

    Nice try, Michael, but raising your body enough to produce steam (you need to boil water to produce steam) and cause combustion (something bursts into flames…what? his loin cloth?)…that is a bit far-fetched.

    The activation energy for spontaneous combustion  can be relatively small particularly if an accelerant is present. This is why combusting paper doesn’t hold a candle to levitation.

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    Davis
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    The activation energy for spontaneous combustion  can be relatively small particularly if an accelerant is present. This is why combusting paper doesn’t hold a candle to levitation.

    It’s only been a couple weeks so there will certainly be more candidates in the future but I would put this down as the most quotable WTF comment on atheistzone for 2022!

    #40681

    TheEncogitationer
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    Michael17,

    Herbert Benson’s abstract claims the following:

    We report here that in a study performed there in February 1981, we found that these subjects exhibited the capacity to increase the temperature of their fingers and toes by as much as 8.3°C.

    Conversion of Celsius to Fahrenheit means that:

    8.3° Celsius x 1.8 + 32 = 46.94 ° Fahrenheit.

    46.94 ° Fahrenheit + “normal” human temperature 98.6° Fahrenheit = 145.54° Fahrenheit. Hot enought to scald human skin.

    This can’t he serious. Hell, this video by Keith has more substance to it than Herbert Benson’s abstract:

    Even allowing for the new “normal” temperature, which is a slightly lower continuum, the temperature change Hebert Benson claims would still scald human skin.

    The fact that Snopes didn’t even bother to calculate this means you can’t even fully trust the fact-checkers. Always corroborate everything with your own findings and rational judgment!

    And as per Ray Bradbury’s Sci-Fi work of the same name, the combustion point of paper is Fahrenbeit 451°, considerably more energy than what Herbert Benson claims meditation does to human temperature. So much for human-created spontaneous combustion.

    On the video, I noticed the bottom brown portion of the Monk’s robe never left the ground. The Monk could have easily kneeled under the robe and raised up on the knees by the thighs and made the appearance of levitation.

    You really need less vegetative forms of entertainment, Michael17.

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    michael17
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    Michael17, Herbert Benson’s abstract claims the following:

    We report here that in a study performed there in February 1981, we found that these subjects exhibited the capacity to increase the temperature of their fingers and toes by as much as 8.3°C.

    Conversion of Celsius to Fahrenheit means that: 8.3° Celsius x 1.8 + 32 = 46.94 ° Fahrenheit. 46.94 ° Fahrenheit + “normal” human temperature 98.6° Fahrenheit = 145.54° Fahrenheit. Hot enought to scald human skin. This can’t he serious. Hell, this video by Keith has more substance to it than Herbert Benson’s abstract: Even allowing for the new “normal” temperature, which is a slightly lower continuum, the temperature change Hebert Benson claims would still scald human skin. The fact that Snopes didn’t even bother to calculate this means you can’t even fully trust the fact-checkers. Always corroborate everything with your own findings and rational judgment! And as per Ray Bradbury’s Sci-Fi work of the same name, the combustion point of paper is Fahrenbeit 451°, considerably more energy than what Herbert Benson claims meditation does to human temperature. So much for human-created spontaneous combustion. On the video, I noticed the bottom brown portion of the Monk’s robe never left the ground. The Monk could have easily kneeled under the robe and raised up on the knees by the thighs and made the appearance of levitation. You really need less vegetative forms of entertainment, Michael17.

    Your rationale is flawed. If Benson scientifically documented a body temperature of 145 degrees Fahrenheit then Benson did. Your rationale that it is scolding, therefore it did not happen despite the facts, is your unsubstantiated belief. Bumble bee’s fly in defiance of known aerodynamics.  In regard to paper combusting at 451 degrees Fahrenheit, you are not addressing spontaneous combustion. Fires in dry areas and in attics have ignited due to this phenomenon.
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    #40688

    TheEncogitationer
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    Michael17,

    Your rationale is flawed. If Benson scientifically documented a body temperature of 145 degrees Fahrenheit then Benson did. Your rationale that it is scolding, therefore it did not happen despite the facts, is your unsubstantiated belief

    No, if the scalding didn’t take place, the rise in temperature didn’t take place either, scalding, of course, being a form of burning.

    Bumble bee’s fly in defiance of known aerodynamics.

    “Known” is the operative term here. We know, however, that rises in temperature to a certain Degree on human skin create scalds.

    In regard to paper combusting at 451 degrees Fahrenheit, you are not addressing spontaneous combustion. Fires in dry areas and in attics have ignited due to this phenomenon.

    I’m addressing spontaneous human combustion, which was your claim regarding the Buddhist Monks.

    By the way, so called “spontaneous combustion” is not so spontaneous and could have several natural causes e.g. ashes or ember from a volcano, rocks and crystals could fall against each other and create sparks in dry vegetation, a raindrop could focus sunlight on dry tinder, a dead branch falling down the side of a dead tree could strike it going down and create friction to start a flame,, high enough air pressure in a tight spot can create high enough temperature to burn tinder (which humans mimic through the invention of the fire piston,) etc.

    As for the steam and combustion from the Buddhist Monks, Meh! He prolly ate some bad dim sum and was near a candle. 😁

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    #40694

    Who said Marco saw a monk defying the laws of gravity? Was that person traveling West at the time?

    #40696

    michael17
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    Who said Marco saw a monk defying the laws of gravity? Was that person traveling West at the time?

    Yes it was Westward near the Himalayas

     

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    Unseen
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    Bumble bee’s fly in defiance of known aerodynamics.

    Um…no. It’s known how bumblebees fly.

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