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    Benjie
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    Hi, I was born as a Catholic because of both of my parents are Catholic. but lately, as I grew older, I realized that the Catholic church and the members of it are some kinds of dictators, corrupt and selfish. Some priest is being headlined due to abuse of minors and corrupting the donation of the people. Some priest that I know has luxurious cars, big houses, and other expensive things.

    #8339

    JadeBlackOlive
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    Glad you got out of the disgusting hypocrisy of it all.

    #8344

    Tom Sarbeck
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    Hi, Benjie. While I usually describe Catholicism as a plantation with slaves, I can agree with your describing it as a corrupt and selfish dictatorship.

    My Catholic dad started the first two of his five children—my older sister and me—in a public school before Catholic bishops decreed that Catholic parents should send their children to Catholic schools.

    Perhaps because he doubted his ability to raise moral children, I was partway through first grade before he transferred us to a nearby Catholic school. Before he died he knew all of his five children had quit Catholicism.

    In my opinion, what happens in Catholic schools, and perhaps in all religious schools, is child abuse. While I was in college a bit of trauma helped me free myself and I spent most of my life as an happy agnostic. At age eighty I realized that no thunderbolts had struck nearby and came out to friends as an atheist.

    Are you adapting to freedom easily and well? A friend of mine has tried several times to leave the plantation but after a few weeks a need of some kind pulls him back.

     

    #8345

    Strega
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    @tomsarbeck I think it’s the guilt. When those trying to shed the chains of Catholicism feel guilty about something, it drags them back to the confessional as they have not learned how to process guilt in a secular way.

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    I once heard an ex-Catholic say that she felt guilty about not having a sense of guilt anymore. I told her that was shameful and that she needed to be punished……

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    _Robert_
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    When I was indoctrinated the mass was still in Latin. I was an altar boy in a huge cathedral. I would polish the silver and gold for the service. My 20’s coincided with the Gothic club music scene of the 1980’s/90’s. It was a way for me to break free of the holy trinity without losing that old gloominess that had become part of me. Chants, incense, candles, black garb, Celtic crosses all remained in my life as I slowly shook free of the guilt-drug. My final let-go actually happened in part due to this website. I will always be grateful for that, To this day, my Victorian-style house is guarded by gargoyles and grotesques.

    #8348

    Now I feel so ashamed but yet very remorseful for writing that earlier post. Oh, the shame!!

    #8351

    _Robert_
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    The “formative” years are just that. Genetics won out over environment in my case. I recall Sting was going through some “test” at the same time.

    Watch close to the imagery to even see Darwin’s idea, church excesses, etc.. This kinda stuff kept me sane.

    Teachers told us the Romans built this place.
    They built a wall and a temple om the edge of the empire garrison town.
    They lived and they died.
    They prayed to their gods, but the stone gods did not make a sound.
    And their empire crumbles ’till all that was left
    Were the stones the workmen found.
    All this time the river flowed in the falling light of a Northern sun.
    If I had my way, take a boat from the river.
    Men go crazy in the congregations, they only get better one by one.
    One by one. One by one by one. One by one.

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    Benjie
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    Actually, some of the higher post of Catholic think that they are above everyone else. They view non-catholic people as inferior creatures. I want to share this picture at the Philippines where the Catholic church is fighting their President. It started when the Philippine President said the Catholic church was full of lies and abusive priest,  the head priest got angry and declared that the Catholic church will rally to condemn the President. While rallying here is a photo taken about those selfish Nuns, the title of the rally was “Walk For Life”, it was so disgusting to look at this photo because they only passed the children without helping them:

     

     

    • This reply was modified 8 months, 3 weeks ago by  Benjie.
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    In Ireland we have spent the last 20 years discovering the crimes committed by the Catholic Church. The majority were against children and many of them were horrific. Nuns were guilty of beating children and using them as slave labor. It is a dying institution. It seems that all “Catholic” countries around the world have similar problems. It is because of this that I accuse them of crimes against humanity.

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    JadeBlackOlive
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    Yes, here in Canada as well.

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    Benjie
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    In Ireland we have spent the last 20 years discovering the crimes committed by the Catholic Church. The majority were against children and many of them were horrific. Nuns were guilty of beating children and using them as slave labor. It is a dying institution. It seems that all “Catholic” countries around the world have similar problems. It is because of this that I accuse them of crimes against humanity.

    Actually there were records in the past that in order to make Catholicism popular, they introduce itforcefully by invading other lands and killing the so called Heretics who doesn’t believe in Christ. Actually, Christ was a Jew, but his fellow Jews doesn’t believe in him as a son of God. Why do you think is that?

     

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    tom sarbeck
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    How do I process guilt in a secular way?e

    My Catholic father and Methodist mother didn’t tell me how. The nuns in a Catholic school told me the Catholic way: know I did wrong to God, confess to a priest, say some prayers, and forgive myself.

    I learned a secular way after I quit religion. To refresh my memory I searched on my above question: know I did wrong to someone, apologize to her/him, make amends (if he/she allows me), and forgive myself.

    For a while it wasn’t easy. The nuns and priests had convinced me I wasn’t worthy. After I convinced myself I was worthy (which wasn’t easy), I was able to apologize.

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