If Only I Hadn't Read the Bible,
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February 10, 2023 at 1:59 am #46840
At age 15, I joined a word of faith church pastored by a well-known televangelist. Because of my visual and hearing impairments, everyone was so excited and sure they would see God perform a wondrous healing miracle. Of course, as time went on, my impairments got worse, and they began to wonder what I was doing to hinder my faith. even my mother jumped on me. “Why aren’t you healed yet? You must be doing something wrong.”
Yet, I continued to hold on to what I thought was my “personal relationship with Jesus. Why? I’m not a dummy, nor an I particularly credulous. But belief is based on what we want to be true, not what we know to be true. Using logic and reason with a Christian is like sending fm radio waves to someone with an am radio. As long as I needed Christianity to be true, for me it was true.
My visual and hearing impairments led me to ask questions that other Christians just weren’t asking. I read things in the bible that they didn’t teach me in Sunday school. I got to the point where I was so disgusted by what I had read that there was just no way to keep loving and worshipping the blood-thirsty, schizophrenic, draconian psychopath that Christians called God. The behavior of other Christians , not just toward me but toward each other and toward non believers, didn’t drive me away from Christianity, but it made it easier to walk away once I made the decision to do so. I didn’t discuss it with anyone or try to explain my decision to anyone. I just walked away.
Of course, there’s a lot more to it than this brief synopsis.February 10, 2023 at 3:45 am #46842
You’re right. The Christian God is a petulant child emotionally, which explains why many Christians look at Donald Trump, an adult toddler emotionally, and see in him a reflection of God and perhaps even The Second Coming.February 10, 2023 at 7:08 am #46843
The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully.
That is just off top of my head.February 14, 2023 at 3:13 pm #46921
As bad as the gods of the Old Testament are, the god of the New Testament is worse. Nobody goes to hell in the Old Testament. In fact, the whole idea of original sin begam with Paul. As I said, if I hadn’t read the bible. . . it’s funny but people who don’t believe the bible know a lot more about it than those that do believe.February 14, 2023 at 4:37 pm #46923
rhonjon, what i wrote about the old testament was a famous Dawkins quote. Not my words. I have it memorized though. I memorize shit. Talk shit and even say it backwards. gnitirw sdrawkcab si ysae neesnU.
Original sin is such a degenerate concept. So Reg our resident fronkey farmer has pointed out a wonderful absurdity as you may have noticed. Have you and absurdities to point out?
As for reading the bible i cant bring myself to do it. A few passages? ok. But there is too much good fiction out there to waste my time on it.February 14, 2023 at 7:18 pm #46929
Welcome to the Forum. I always say that the difference between The Old Testiment God and The New Testimont God is that the first one destroyed the world once and the second wants to do it again.
And if the God of The Holy Bible was a man, he would be on trial for Crimes Against Humanity and The Hague would have to create the crime of Orbicide (destruction of a Planet) to encompass the full extent of his crimes. (Though he couldn’t be prosecuted ex post facto for that single crime and thus would have to be prosecuted for all of his horrible acts separately and severally. “The fun goes on forever and the party never ends…”)February 16, 2023 at 6:31 pm #46954
I’ve read Dawkins, Hitchins, Sagan, Hawkins, Jerry Coyne, Bart Ehrman, et al. But all of them put together couldn’t do as good a job as the bible in convincing me that Christianity is crap.
Every time I read the bible I find an absurdity. I live in the buckle of the bible belt, so I need a reminder now and then for why I left the church. Here’s the latest absurdity I’ve read.
1 Timothy 6:16 tells us that only Jesus is immortal. this goes against everything Christianity stands for. If only Jesus is immortal then humans don’t have immortal souls. So god will have to create new humans and give them our memories so he can send them to hell.February 16, 2023 at 7:28 pm #46956
Yeah i have had my fill of authors espousing atheism. Read theologians and apologists too. Grew up without religion and struggled to understand how it was any more convincing than santa clause. It is so patently absurd and false that to me the more compelling aspect is the impact of religion. Am an antitheist from here to Timbuktu or Portland Oregon.February 16, 2023 at 7:58 pm #46957
Oh and condolences on your locus, rhonjon. When i first drove through bible belt i was in shock. It is so infused at every turn with religiosity that i thought i might as well be in a different country. So sickening.February 16, 2023 at 8:03 pm #46958
Old Testament god was/is an asshole. The New God-Egad! The late Jack Kirby coined a DC comic with that title – The New Gods. I liked Kirby’s concept of New Gods so much more. Miss Jack Kirby.February 16, 2023 at 10:38 pm #46960
Old Testament god was/is an asshole. The New God-Egad! The late Jack Kirby coined a DC comic with that title – The New Gods. I liked Kirby’s concept of New Gods so much more. Miss Jack Kirby.February 17, 2023 at 11:45 am #46964
Yeah Robert. Early Kirby. Actually read that one. Never owned it because even as a kid in 1968 it was worth more than I made shining shoes. This is how I remember him:February 18, 2023 at 5:42 pm #46974
I didn’t know that Jack Kirby called them that. I always thought of Marvel characters as for the most part Humanistically-oriented, with characters and powers that are explainable and at least distantly within the bounds of possibility and probability.
Thor, the Asgardians, and Hercules were the only Supernatural beings that I recall in Marvel and even they were defeatable, and God-Like beings like Galactus and Thanos were just natural extraterrestrial beings with powers far beyond humans and again, they could be defeated.
Batman, The Shadow, and The Question were also in this same vein in the DC Universe.February 18, 2023 at 8:21 pm #46975
Noel, I didn’t know that Jack Kirby called them that. I always thought of Marvel characters as for the most part Humanistically-oriented, with characters and powers that are explainable and at least distantly within the bounds of possibility and probability. Thor, the Asgardians, and Hercules were the only Supernatural beings that I recall in Marvel and even they were defeatable, and God-Like beings like Galactus and Thanos were just natural extraterrestrial beings with powers far beyond humans and again, they could be defeated. Batman, The Shadow, and The Question were also in this same vein in the DC Universe.
When Jack Kirby moved to DC comics and left Marvel Comics the first project he worked on was the comic book “The New Gods”. Like the Asgardians in the Thor comic who were not actual gods just referred to as gods by the Norseman who first saw them, the New Gods were not invincible. They were also not supernatural. They could take a punch, but were not invincible. Asgardians die all the time. Same with The New Gods. Correct me if I’m wrong, but I have never come across an invincible comic book character. Even Superman dies. Genius, on the part of Jack Kirby and Stan Lee, to not make invincible characters as they will become stale and boring.February 18, 2023 at 8:36 pm #46976
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