Is the Middle East Crisis a Prelude to Armageddon?

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    TheEncogitationer
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    PopeBeanie,

    Here lately, I’ve grown addicted to YouTube Shorts. At their best, they are Sweetened Condensed Thoughts for a life on-the-go. At their worst, at least they don’t take much time and can be scoffed and refuted just as quickly.

    Yes, Steven Pinker is the king of the luxurious, cascading Is-ro and Pinker is fun to watch as well as listen to and absorb. 😁

    I am a bit concerned, though, that Pinker’s normal voice of optimism along with that of Marion Tupy and HumanProgress.org, are nowhere to be found in the aftermath of the Hamas attacks on Israel. It could be too soon, or it could also bave shattered that optimism. Must wait and see…

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    #51121

    TheEncogitationer
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    Fellow Unbelievers,

    In Mystery Science Theatre 3000’s trademark color commentary on the movie Robot Monster, Crow T. Robot gave the best use of the word “Armageddon:”

    “Armageddon married in the morning!” 🤖🦍😁

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    #51131

    michael17
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    @ Michael Would any of these qualify?: Islamic Eschatology: In Islam, there are beliefs about the Day of Judgment (Yawm al-Qiyamah) where all individuals will be resurrected and judged by Allah. This is a day of reckoning, and it is associated with various signs and events, including the appearance of the false messiah (Dajjal), the return of Jesus (Isa), and the eventual destruction of the world. Hindu Eschatology: In Hinduism, there are concepts related to the end of the world and the cycle of creation and destruction. This cycle is called “Yugas.” The end of the world is associated with the Kali Yuga, a period of strife and decay, which is followed by a new cycle. Buddhist Eschatology: Buddhism doesn’t have a single eschatological view, but some Buddhist traditions have beliefs about the future decline of the Dharma, followed by a new Buddha’s appearance who will restore it. Norse Mythology: In Norse mythology, there is a prophesied event called Ragnarök, a series of events that lead to the death of major gods and the destruction of the world, followed by its rebirth. Zoroastrian Eschatology: Zoroastrianism has beliefs about the final battle between good and evil, where the forces of good will ultimately triumph over the forces of evil, resulting in the renewal and purification of the world. Native American and Indigenous Beliefs: Many indigenous cultures have their own prophecies and beliefs about the end of the world or significant transformative events. These vary widely from culture to culture.

    Thr test is fulfilment.

    #51132

    Strega
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    What is the point of a prophecy that can only be relied on after the event?

    #51154

    michael17
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    There are no prophets counseling  the leadership

    of Israel. protect the people,  but do not take the moral high ground by quoting  scripture to justify genocide. Leaders are in place by providence for a non believing world, to assume it’s for righteousness is presumptuous
    <p style=”text-align: right;”>https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2023/11/benjamin-netanyahu-amalek-israel-palestine -gaza-saul-samuel-old-testament/</p>

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    Strega
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    There are no prophets counseling the leadership of Israel. protect the people, but do not take the moral high ground by quoting scripture to justify genocide. Leaders are in place by providence for a non believing world, to assume it’s for righteousness is presumptuous <p style=”text-align: right;”>https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2023/11/benjamin-netanyahu-amalek-israel-palestine -gaza-saul-samuel-old-testament/</p>

    Was this your reply as to what the point of prophecy is, if you don’t know it’s a true prophecy until it’s come to pass?  Because if so, could you try again with some less flowery vocabulary?

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    michael17
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    There are no prophets counseling the leadership of Israel. protect the people, but do not take the moral high ground by quoting scripture to justify genocide. Leaders are in place by providence for a non believing world, to assume it’s for righteousness is presumptuous <p style=”text-align: right;”>https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2023/11/benjamin-netanyahu-amalek-israel-palestine -gaza-saul-samuel-old-testament/</p>

    Was this your reply as to what the point of prophecy is, if you don’t know it’s a true prophecy until it’s come to pass? Because if so, could you try again with some less flowery vocabulary?

    No it was out of distain, Netanyahu should not assume that he is Saul under the direction of the prophet Samuel,

    #51160

    Strega
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    Netanyahu is pushing every possible emotional button to reinforce the Israeli response. If there’s a bit of Bible handy, he’s going to grab that. I don’t think there is any particular proselytism that is out of bounds when you’re rallying the troops.  I wouldn’t take it seriously.

    Now, tell me what the point of prophecy is if it cannot be trusted unless and until it manifests?

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    michael17
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    Strega wrote:Netanyahu is pushing every possible emotional button to reinforce the Israeli response. If there’s a bit of Bible handy, he’s going to grab that. I don’t think there is any particular proselytism that is out of bounds when you’re rallying the troops. I wouldn’t take it seriously. Now, tell me what the point of prophecy is if it cannot be trusted unless and until it manifests?

    The problem with prophecy is  the preponderance of misinterpretations on veiled prophecies. Veiling was necessary to avoid persecution by the Roman parochial authorities since Rome was the seat of apostasy, that imposed its false Christianity by the sword and the popular  eschatologist haven’t fallen far from the tree. Clearly, the inquisition was the stalwart of falsehood and imposing it by torture, stake burning and the sword. And the Revelation chronicles Rome imposing its peace by the sword and subjugating indigenous people and through the courts of its European offsprings over the centuries.

     

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    Strega
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    Your examples of prophecy fulfilled are not contextual to all the unfulfilled prophecies.  We can’t tell a good one from a bad one until after the event, either.  So we would be rather foolish to trust *any* prophecy in case it was a bad one.

    This reduces the value of a prophecy to the equivalent of an astrology reading.

     

    #51168

    michael17
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    @ Strega

    I see what Rome and its European offspring’s have done Rome and Constantinople cities that sit on seven hills , Babylon the mysterious the world is drunk with her apostasy and blasphemy. Everything from turning Mary into a Goddess to be worship, Papal indulgences and converting the Roman pantheon to saints to be prayed to. The papacy rich with blood money and confiscated lands and conquering indigenous people by the sword in name of their European white Jesus and Mary, the new Tammuz and Ishtar,   Babylon the Mysterious Mother of Harlots. This was prophesied in 90 Ad. And future had  Rome manifesting the wicked One who shall stand in tbt Temple of God requiring worship or death by the sword. Revelation has been true for thousand of years.   This will not culminate until the Jews rebuild the Temple. They already have Levitical priests and the Sanhedrin and the cornerstone of the temple along with the red heffers and vestments. prophecy has been unfolding before our eyes.

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    #51176

    TheEncogitationer
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    Michael17,

    Even if Papal crime and corruption and Manifest Destiny in The Americas was a fulfillment of a prophesy, why should we worship and respect a supposed God that lets it all happen and does nothing?

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    michael17
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    Michael17, Even if Papal crime and corruption and Manifest Destiny in The Americas was a fulfillment of a prophesy, why should we worship and respect a supposed God that lets it all happen and does nothing?

    God only allows darkness that he has foreseen and shall conquer by  the return of his Son who died through darkness that he permitted to sacrifice the Passover Lamb (his Son) that we might have eternal life. Darkness is permit due to Sin and Sin gets its power through his law.

     

     

    #51181

    TheEncogitationer
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    Michael17,

    So God is the author of both good and evil, just like it was attributed to him in Isaiah 45:7 and he is dickless, hopeless and useless when it comes to doing good. Gotcha, Mike!🙄

    #51187

    michael17
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    Michael17, So God is the author of both good and evil, just like it was attributed to him in Isaiah 45:7 and he is dickless, hopeless and useless when it comes to doing good. Gotcha, Mike!🙄

    We are the sinners that are ransomed to the fallen angels whose spirits have been leading us astray tempting and testing us . But Christ overcame temptation even onto death for all that believe. Your Challenge is just to believe and put the man of sin (perpetrated by these evil spirits, living inside of humanity to death) by reframing from sin. This is the meaning of baptism, thus you will share in his resurrection,

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