Is the Temporal Power of the Popes Returning?

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    michael17
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    The book of the Revelation of John, speaks of a beast that looked like a lamb with 2 horns but spoke like a dragon.

    This has been interpreted as the Christian Roman Empire with the Popes with provincial authorities, with Rome in the West and Byzantium in the East, i.e., Catholic and Orthodox Rites. The temporal power of the Pope in the West waned in Western Europe after the Inquisitions and the Crusades, but now we see the reemergence of the temporal power of the Eastern Rite under  Patriarch Kirill who has said Russian soldiers’ sins will be ‘cleansed’ if they die fighting in Ukraine. Such blasphemy has not been stated since the days of Papal indulgences

    https://news.yahoo.com/head-russian-church-death-ukraine-cleanse-sins-135357705.html

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    #44708

    Strega
    Moderator

    Well hello Michael! Long time no see 🙂

    I’ve got about an hour to kill in my car, later so I’ll have a read of what you’ve been thinking recently, then.

    #44709

    jakelafort
    Participant

    Swami give us prophecy.

    The march of folly makes me jolly.

    Jolly balls.
    Jolly rolls.
    Jolly unfolds.

    #44711

    PopeBeanie
    Moderator

    Hi Michael,

    Only if you have a moment for a digression from your specific topic: I’ve been assuming (perhaps incorrectly?) that your main hypothesis regarding “authenticity” of scripture is based on how its revelations pan out over time, proving they’re from a divine origin.

    Putting that aside, or even presuming that many revelations are actually valid and predictive, my questions to you are:

    1. How or why should one know for a fact that *all* revelations have validity and predictive value? (Much less all the rest of the entire Bible, in any of its versions.)
    2. Which, if any validity in revelations do you discount, and why? (I’m not asking for a list, just one example would probably be enough to provide significant insight into your interpretation.)

    Beyond that, you might remember that I’m totally incredulous of any divine nature of any writings produced by naturally fallible human beings. One example I suspect you’d agree with is that Mohammed must have, at best, only imagined his conversations with the angel Gabriel. At worst, he’s a false prophet.

    #44712

    michael17
    Participant

    Hi Michael, Only if you have a moment for a digression from your specific topic: I’ve been assuming (perhaps incorrectly?) that your main hypothesis regarding “authenticity” of scripture is based on how its revelations pan out over time, proving they’re from a divine origin. Putting that aside, or even presuming that many revelations are actually valid and predictive, my questions to you are:

    1. How or why should one know for a fact that *all* revelations have validity and predictive value? (Much less all the rest of the entire Bible, in any of its versions.)

    2. Which, if any validity in revelations do you discount, and why? (I’m not asking for a list, just one example would probably be enough to provide significant insight into your interpretation.)

    Beyond that, you might remember that I’m totally incredulous of any divine nature of any writings produced by naturally fallible human beings. One example I suspect you’d agree with is that Mohammed must have, at best, only imagined his conversations with the angel Gabriel. At worst, he’s a false prophet.
    Hello PopeBeanie,

    Moses provided and austere means to test the prophets. If what they say does not transpire, they are to be put to death. However in the case of late prophets, our only recourse is to reject them. I have historical proved the Revelation to my satisfaction.  However it is still a leap of faith since we cannot scientifically prove that there is a God.
    The Bulgarian prophet Baba Vanga has made predictions that many believe came true, but not everything did. As such, I must reject her as a true prophet. I conclude the same with Nostradamus.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baba_Vanga

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    #44720

    jakelafort
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    Michael, not much of an answer to Beanie’s thoughtful questions.

    How about one prophecy, your favority, that demonstrates conclusively or by a preponderance of the evidence the validity of the prophecy. Not some half-baked ambiguity filled with generous interpretation-something the objective person (yeah a fantasy) would decide for the plaintiff in a civil claim where the standard is preponderance of the evidence.

    And if you can’t persuade us considering your depth of research and immersion in this topic then it is reasonable to conclude that you are sailing without a sail boat.

    #44721

    michael17
    Participant

    @jakelafort

    Even Christ could not convince people. I don’t gauge anything by my inability to convince certain people. However as more things come true I will still report them. Because while there is life there is still hope.

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    Patriarch Kirill who has said Russian soldiers’ sins will be ‘cleansed’ if they die fighting in Ukraine.

    How does a man with millions in his bank accounts and so much property know that is what his God will do? If they don’t die will they remain sinners? Michael, do you really believe that if a Russian soldier dies when a grenade dropped from a drone and explodes on his head will become an immortal? May my friends in Ukraine send as many immortals as possible to Kirill’s God.

    #44723

    michael17
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    @strega,

    Thanks for the greetings, I am encouraged by those that read my posts even if we are worlds apart in  belief 🙂

    #44724

    michael17
    Participant

    @Reg

    I don’t but to our horror he does. Thankfully the Latin Pope is on an Island in a sea of unbelief. So what he says doesn’t matter. But in the future it is interpreted that false miracles will bolster his standings in Europe and the world at large.

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    #44728

    jakelafort
    Participant

    Michael, how is it you believe when you can’t or is it won’t give us the shining prophecy on a hill?

    If I imagine myself filled with the recondite knowledge/information that has evaded the masses and even the cognoscenti-and how inspired i would be to divulge my evidence. Yet you offer zilch. Is it because you know that the prophecy you consider most persuasive would be ridiculed by atheists?

    #44729

    michael17
    Participant

    @jakelafort,

    Atheist are underwhelmed and Theist never heard these interpretations and get excited. But as time goes on the fulfilment will become more ominous. And I will report them. I will also report true miracle workers, who are due to be revealed in the future concurrent with the rebuilding of the Temple

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    #44730

    TheEncogitationer
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    Michael17,

    I don’t have any bubble wrap to preoccupy myself with on an off-day, so I guess I’ll preoccupy myself with popping your claims instead.

    For one thing, how is what Kirill said blasphemy according to The Holy Bible and Christian doctrine?

    Isn’t it Christian doctrine of John 3:16 that “For God so loved the world *Snicker!* that he gave us his only begotten Son, that whosoever shall believeth in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life?”

    And doesn’t that “whosoever” include Putineers who have plundered, enslaved, raped, tortured, and murdered countless Ukrainians and sympathetic Russians?

    And doesn’t that same Christian doctrine in 2 Thessalonians 1:8-9 say that Ukrainians, sympathetic Russians, and all people who support victims of persecution are doomed to eternal Hell if they aren’t Christian?:

    “In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction.” 2 Thessalonians 1:8-9.

    So where’s the blasphemy from Kirill? He’s straight down the line with Christian doctrine! Yet another reason why Religion and Morality are two very different things.

    Oh, and another thing: If even Christ could not convince any amount of people that he was God in a skin-suit, then how is Christ a God?

    I’ll let you rub some aloe on that burn and get back to me. 🔥😎

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    #44734

    michael17
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    Michael17, I don’t have any bubble wrap to preoccupy myself with on an off-day, so I guess I’ll preoccupy myself with popping your claims instead. For one thing, how is what Kirill said blasphemy according to The Holy Bible and Christian doctrine? Isn’t it Christian doctrine of John 3:16 that “For God so loved the world *Snicker!* that he gave us his only begotten Son, that whosoever shall believeth in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life?” And doesn’t that “whosoever” include Putineers who have plundered, enslaved, raped, tortured, and murdered countless Ukrainians and sympathetic Russians? And doesn’t that same Christian doctrine in 2 Thessalonians 1:8-9 say that Ukrainians, sympathetic Russians, and all people who support victims of persecution are doomed to eternal Hell if they aren’t Christian?: “In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction.” 2 Thessalonians 1:8-9. So where’s the blasphemy from Kirill? He’s straight down the line with Christian doctrine! Yet another reason why Religion and Morality are two very different things. Oh, and another thing: If even Christ could not convince any amount of people that he was God in a skin-suit, then how is Christ a God? I’ll let you rub some aloe on that burn and get back to me. 🔥😎

    Christ was the singular sacrifice for all of humanity so it is obvious that whst the Patriarch is saying is unbiblical. We need to believe and die to sin and not to Ukranians. “My yoke is easy and my burden is  light”

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    #44736

    Strega
    Moderator

    Hi Michael

    Just to be clear, are all these prophecies leading us to ‘Armageddon’ or are they just random predictions about life in general, like a mystical horoscope?

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