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November 1, 2023 at 2:36 am #51050
If anyone here feels stuck in a rut, this woman (who names her Youtube channel “Soprano Notes”) has A LOT of great insight into the Hi Ren piece.
At one point, I’ve seen some reactors feel totally horrified, stupefied enough to not know how to hear and deal with what’s coming next. This reactor handles her first viewing in the best way I’ve seen, out of several reactors. If you are emotionally vulnerable, I recommend you let this insightful, professional singer take you through the experience.
It’s 25 minutes long, but (imo) easier to watch than the original piece. She doesn’t interrupt very often, but finally cuts it in half to comment, which gives people some time to catch up and realize what’s been coming at them at 100mph.
At the very end, he pulls up the guitar jack that was hanging, tucks it into his hospital gown, puts his right hand over the jack (near his heart), and just stops there like a pose. I’ve my idea that this is a symbolic gesture that means something. Is it as obvious to you as it is to me? While of course I could be totally wrong.
November 1, 2023 at 5:37 am #51054@unseen I ran into a Modern Life for the 70’s Mind reaction to Hi Ren (also see above), and watched. Good tip, to just skip the narrative on Bob’s personal life.
At the end of the review he picked up on how the camera recording changed to human-held, making it feel more real, at the most personal moment. The opera singer (above) also pointed this out. And all reviewers I watched until Bob’s missed the nice long reverb at 13:10, that I also liked the first time I heard it.
Hi Ren is massively epic, imo. I wouldn’t compare the body of his work to TW’s, but this song in particular hit a lot of emotions in people. I thoroughly enjoyed even the darkest parts, while I’ve seen more than one reactor break down emotionally, as if they felt they were watching Satan or other evil, in person. To me, it was a great performance, from darkest to lightest, and I won’t say more here because I don’t want to spoil it.
November 1, 2023 at 9:08 pm #51057Late PopeBeanie edit: If you’re feeling emotionally vulnerable, I recommend you watch this video doled out more in stride in the next post instead of this all-at-once, original version of the video.
I was so turned off by that performance which I watched in a different reactor’s reaction video that I couldn’t take anymore, not for emotional so much as musical reasons. I believe I wrote a comment that I couldn’t imagine how little they’d have to charge for a ticket to get me to want to go to a venue to witness that. LOL
To each their own. I think it put me off Ren so much that I’ll always find some other musical avenue to explore.
November 11, 2023 at 10:10 pm #51279For others here, out of dozens of reviews of Hi Ren, none disliked Ren’s musical style, and most, especially the professional guitarists, commented on how creative and talented he is as a guitar player. I’m still in awe of it every time I watch. I consider Hi Ren as a short opera, as the story takes us through a very emotional topic, and the dynamic guitar style emphasizes the range of expression required for uncovering the theme of Ren’s mental health experience. People who know guitars point out he’s playing a top-notch classical, Cordoba guitar… and it sounds great!
Only one reviewer I watched complained about the theme, saying he practically despises hearing Ren “whine” about his mental health issues, and that no one should ever do that in the music industry, much less for nine long minutes. No other reviewer I’ve watched has used that word, “whine”.
A few reviewers broke down, sometimes crying, due to their unfortunate physical and mental health experiences, but they all still appreciated the performance, especially the last couple of minutes that tied up the loose ends, with words only, as narrative poetry.
The version of Hi Ren I suggested is a “studio live” performance, meaning it had no audience, and some editing in post of the live performance took place. E.g. the opera singer’s review/reaction that I suggested pointed out a place where she thinks a breath from Ren was probably edited out from the middle of a long verse, while most reviewers don’t seem to have noticed it. (I didn’t notice it until she pointed it out.)
Ren’s other work is very different, as he’s a very dynamic talent. Even if Hi Ren is the only work that I love from him so far, I think he’s still an epically creative genius and performer.
December 4, 2023 at 4:26 am #51619I’m learning from what may be the best reactors now, who have obvious expertise, and experience with critiquing music. So I think they fit into this topic as much as great music videos without a critic. Anna Vaskelainen is one of the smartest I’ve discovered so far, and passionate as well. She picks up so much on just her first watching. Turn on captions for when she speaks in Finnish.
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December 4, 2023 at 5:06 pm #51623She’s really good. I like that song a lot, too. Here, one of the masters, Rick Beato, analyzes what he says is the most complex pop song of all time. Even if you don’t know much about music theory, his expressions as he listens are good for some laughs.
It’s a song he and his band agreed to play for a wedding reception. THEN, they went about learning it. I don’t know if they really got it down pat or just approximated it, knowing that there would not likely going to be any musicologists in the wedding party.
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December 8, 2023 at 8:54 pm #51723December 9, 2023 at 12:13 am #51724@Reg, I would say Trent Reznor/NIN is a big influence on my music writing and recording, as you may be able to tell. I write for my stepdaughter and lots of other local singers.
December 9, 2023 at 6:02 am #51731I’ve been trying for several years to get one or the other of some of the better reactors to react to this masterpiece, but it’s hindered by not having a video associated with it. I wish someone would create a fanvid to go with it.
Understand, I’m pretty much into rock and folk rocks is decidedly not my “thing” at all, but the lyrics of this song are absolutely magical as is Sandy Denny’s vocal interpretation. Read her bio if you want to hear a tragic tale.
Anyone who’s a fan ot Tolkien, Lord Dunsany, and tales of sword and sorcery should really love this song.
December 9, 2023 at 9:17 pm #51734@robert – In my head I have Black Francis and Trent Reznor in the same space. Not all the time but I think their creativity and vocal techniques overlap. You don’t get them unless you spend the time listening closely to them. You also have to be a very good musician and understand more than just the rudiments of music to play music like that. It may not sound appealing to everyone but once you let them take you to that space you get what they are about.
I heard someone once say that this opening was terrible so I never listened to anything they said again! But this reactor gets it because she knows what she is talking about!
I have always liked March of the pigs.
December 11, 2023 at 9:37 am #51762Here, one of the masters, Rick Beato, analyzes what he says is the most complex pop song of all time.
When I heard that song many years ago, I had no idea there were so many chords, as I assumed they were the same bunch of chords repeated throughout. Rick put up another video about this song maybe a year or two ago, in teacher mode, with a large white board, and I didn’t even try to keep up with it!
December 11, 2023 at 9:42 am #51763The next song works well, as reacted to by Anna, a favorite of mine now. I love the first, beautiful style of the singer, but not the second style. Anna’s reaction to it smoothed out the experience for me, and I got to learn something in spite of my dislike of it. The instrumentalists are also highly skilled and make the song great, too. This is another song in 7/4 time signature.
I’ll probably watch it at least a few more times.
Remember to turn your captions on for when Anna speaks in Finnish. (I didn’t mention that in her previous reaction, above, to System of a Down, Toxicity.)
December 19, 2023 at 7:14 am #51907This old man reactor first struck me as a blowhard, but he soon showed me how good he is at correctly predicting what this video was about. He also pointed out a couple things in it I hadn’t noticed before. XXI Century Blood is one of my favorite produced videos from any band. It still boggles my mind that teens came up with this, and I wonder who helped them put it together. (See below all the awards they got back in 2017, at least, according to one of the commenters.)
Well, he did get one prediction pretty wrong near the end. But I love the moment when you could see in his face, he knew he got it wrong. (I start a couple minutes in.)
From a commenter, “This video won or was nominated for a number of awards”:
Best Music Video Around Films International Film Festival Barcelona April 2017
Best Script / Narrative Music Videos Pantalla de Cristal Festival 2017
Best Music Video Nominee Pantalla de Cristal Festival 2017
LA CINEFEST Semifinalist 2017
Official Selection Austin Music Video Festival 2017
Feel The Reel IFF, Audience Award October 2017
I Filmmaker International Film Festival Official Selection 2017December 19, 2023 at 5:57 pm #51913@ PopeBeanie
Very soon after The Warning formed, their secret sauce became apparent: songwriting. As good as they are as musicians, much more impressive musicians are out there and bands full of such musicians as well, who can play rings around The Warning. I can watch their Teatro Metropolitan concert over and over and never get bored because the songs are so good. And varied, which is something given their extremely limited instrumental format. While I like some songs more than others, every one is a worthwhile listen. Some of the songs I paid less attention to before are now growing on me. Breathe, for example. They write songs with passages you can sing or hum to yourself in the shower or while folding the laundry. None of the instrumentally stronger bands can do that. Songwriting.
I simply can’t understand people who don’t respond to their music. This band, for me, is what music is all about.
I’m trying to get my brother (two years younger) to give them a listen, a serious listen, but he’s one of these people, if you like something he knows something even better. (“Let’s go to XYZ Bagels, they make a great bagel” “Yeah but they can’t compare to the bagels I got in New York” and that’s without even tasting an XYZ Bagel). I sent him a link to one of their songs and his response was something like “nice,” which tells me he may not have even wanted to find time to give it a seriou s listen.
Their themes tend to be serious. Even the ones about relatioships are not the typical broken heart teen fare. They are about things any adult could relate to. Beyond that, they address social themes as well in songs like Kool Aid Kids, Error, and Disciple. Ironically, the song for which they have become most famous is their cover of Metallica’s Enter Sandman, which is just a horror-fantasy, though it was originally written in response to James Hetfields loss of a baby to crib death.,
People are so jaded and overwhelmed by Internet messaging nowadays that the hardest part is to get people (like my brother) to sit down for a serious listen to a couple of The Warning’s tunes.
BTW, when the girls recorded this song, they were just 17, 15, and 12. In other words, the youngest, Alejandra, was early Middle School age.
Their career has benefitted, of course, by not being born into a poor family (mom a dentist, dad probably a sound engineer, who owned a recording studio), so early on they had Fender guitars and (I don’t know my drums, but I’m sure it was something like Ludwigs). The excellence of the video in question no doubt benefitted from their dad’s knowledge of sound recording and probably some connections he had to the video side of things.
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December 19, 2023 at 7:13 pm #51916Nowadays, it’s in Asia where you’ll find the most mindbogglingly strong instrumental talent. I could literally put up dozens of Korean and Japanese bands with more adept musicians than The Warning. This is a fairly random example in the sense that they were on the side of the Youtube page so I clicked simply out of curiosity over the thumbnail image. Never heard of them before, but my golly they can play. And Band Maid is even better than they are!
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