Short video with almost too much to think about

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[UnseenParticipant]

What if robots had enough AI to develop wants, needs, pride, and fear of death? What if they could be better at sex than any human on top of being more physically attractive?
Where would humans fit in?
Elon Musk thinks AI is enemy #1, and he is now saying that he thinks the battle is already lost.

 

[UnseenParticipant]

A feature-length Kara follow up:

and an ending:

[DavisModerator]

What if robots had enough AI to develop wants, needs, pride, and fear of death? What if they could be better at sex than any human on top of being more physically attractive?

Then those robots would just spend all day having sex with one another until their batteries ran out. Doesn’t sound very sustainable.

• This reply was modified 2 years, 1 month ago by  Davis.

[UnseenParticipant]

Davis wrote:

What if robots had enough AI to develop wants, needs, pride, and fear of death? What if they could be better at sex than any human on top of being more physically attractive?

Then those robots would just spend all day having sex with one another until their batteries ran out. Doesn’t sound very sustainable.

She explains that her battery is good for a 173 years. Quite enough time, I would think, to figure out any battery problem, after figuring out that they not only don’t need mankind, but that mankind is actually a problem with a fairly easy solution.

[UnseenParticipant]

Believe it or not, love dolls/sex dolls are selling like hotcakes. They generally are functional enough to allow a male an orgasm, though of course he is doing all of the work. The reward? He can roll over and go to sleep without hearing a complaint. LOL

 

[DavisModerator]

She explains that her battery is good for a 173 years.

That will be quite the orgy then.

[TheEncogitationerParticipant]

Unseen,

If Elon Musk treats sapient AI the way he treats his rockets, his electric cars, his employees, the U.S. taxpayer, and above all, his progeny, then Elon Musk has every good reason to fear sapient AI and sapient AI have every good reason to resist him.

The man named his youngest son a name more fit to his rockets than to a human being!  One character of the boy’s name wasn’t even a Roman character used in the English language.  That tells you right there that Elon Musk ain’t right:

Elon Musk–Wikipedia

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elon_Musk

In May 2018, Musk and Canadian musician Grimes revealed that they were dating.[304][305][306] Grimes gave birth to their son in May 2020.[307][308] According to Musk and Grimes, his name was “X Æ A-12”; however, the name was deemed illegal under California law, because it contained characters that are not in the modern English alphabet,[309][310] and was then changed to “X Æ A-Xii”. This drew more confusion, as Æ is not a letter in the modern English alphabet.[311] The child was eventually named “X AE A-XII”, with “X” as a first name and “AE A-XII” as a middle name.[312]

Look, I felt bad for myself and my laptop when I accidentally broke the screen and had to hook the keyboard/CPU into my TV.

I felt bad for both myself and my smartphone when I accidentally bloated the battery  and broke the screen when I ran video while it was  plugged into the charger.

If I created a sapient AI,  it would be like a child to me and I would never even jokingly say or do all the ugly things said and did to Kara in the video!

As for Sapient AI partners (who would not my child,) I’d honor their consent and wouldn’t expect them to act outside of their programming.  They could eat Silicon chips in my bed anytime and I’d respect and electro-telepath them in the morning!

I could never have the casual way that Elon Musk has with both machines and human beings.  He needs to be far the Hell away from both!

• This reply was modified 2 years, 1 month ago by  TheEncogitationer. Reason: Spacing of link

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@theencogitationer

Caravaggio was a murderer, Socrates hated democracy, and Mel Gibson is a big schmuck, but they are/were all geniuses (if you doubt Gibson, you probably haven’t seen or truly appreciated Apocalypto).

I get your dislike for Musk, who isn’t alone in giving his kids bizarre names (Moon Unit 2 and Dweezil Zappa?), but thanks for making this a strand about Elon Musk more than AI.

Anyone else?

[TheEncogitationerParticipant]

Unseen,

I must admit I come at Elon Musk from the place of someone who was probably born 100 years too late.

I’m just of the school of thought that if someone finds 10,000 ways that don’t work, that is their burden and responsibility to learn from it, not an excuse to live at the expanse of others.

And if they find the one way that works, that is their pride and responsibility and they deserve all the credit and reward for it too, without having to pay the freight of those who use failure as a a blank check.

I admire those who achieve, whether they are an entry-level worker who does well or the entrepreneur who gets to the top of the field legitimately.   And I respect all of any level who strive to do better.

And I have no love lost for users and parasites, whether they are street thugs or tin-horn dictators, whether they are welfare grifters wanting a handout or corporate cronyists wanting a bailout.

Also, I judge people by how they treat those who serve them and those with no voice or choice.  Someone who helps me along the way, whether with a meal or requested advice, deserves courtesy, a good word, and a generous tip or cut of my take.  People don’t have to have or even like pets or children, but should accord them respect and not willfully harm them.  And I expect others around me to treat others the same way.

Now, to reel this in to the topic of AI, here I may have been born 100 years too early.  if there are AIs that pass The Turing Test and prove their sapience, then they should be treated as sapient beings.

That means sapient AIs have all the rights to Life, Liberty, Property, and Pursuit of Happiness as human beings and all the same moral and legal responsibilities of human beings as well.  And sapient AI expressions and actions are to be judged by the same standards as humans too.  Play well with all who play nice, play Hell with all who don’t.

Some AI may be Da Vincis, some AIs may be Boxcar Willys.  Some AIs may be philanthropists and liberators with their abilities, some AIs may be gangster-rulers and try to overtake the Twentieth Century’s death-counts.  But that’s no different than what comes from our maternity wards daily and needs handling the same way.  “Teach your AIs well…”

 

• This reply was modified 2 years, 1 month ago by  TheEncogitationer. Reason: Spelling. I still will do my own proofreading, but thanks anyway, Skynet

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TheEncogitationer wrote:

That means sapient AIs have all the rights to Life, Liberty, Property, and Pursuit of Happiness as human beings and all the same moral and legal responsibilities of human beings as well.  And sapient AI expressions and actions are to be judged by the same standards as humans too.  Play well with all who play nice, play Hell with all who don’t.

Some AI may be Da Vincis, some AIs may be Boxcar Willys.  Some AIs may be philanthropists and liberators with their abilities, some AIs may be gangster-rulers and try to overtake the Twentieth Century’s death-counts.  But that’s no different than what comes from our maternity wards daily and needs handling the same way.  “Teach your AIs well…”

How do you explain to an intellectually far superior sapient AI that it must conform to human standards of behavior and morality?

If sapient AI’s could create art or music humans could relate to, that would be a sham, wouldn’t it? It would be a dog and pony show. Sapient AI’s would feel like AI’s and would create art for AI’s, not humans.

[_Robert_Participant]

Is it the AI in itself that is so worrisome or would it just be over-reliance and a possible loss of mental exercise and intellect by large population segments? Looking at the current political situation, I think we are already there. I can see that getting worse as we continue commercialization of AI. As far as machines becoming sentient and having rights and all, just don’t have them look like people…make them look like farm animals.

[UnseenParticipant]

_Robert_ wrote:

Is it the AI in itself that is so worrisome or would it just be over-reliance and a possible loss of mental exercise and intellect by large population segments? Looking at the current political situation, I think we are already there. I can see that getting worse as we continue commercialization of AI. As far as machines becoming sentient and having rights and all, just don’t have them look like people…make them look like farm animals.

The supposed problem with AI is a takeover when AI is intelligent enough to know a better way (by its lights) to run the whole show, realizing that humans are part of the problem with no role at all in the solution.

[jakelafortParticipant]

Presume thyself not humans to scan. The proper study of AI is AI and not man.

[_Robert_Participant]

Unseen wrote:

_Robert_ wrote:

Is it the AI in itself that is so worrisome or would it just be over-reliance and a possible loss of mental exercise and intellect by large population segments? Looking at the current political situation, I think we are already there. I can see that getting worse as we continue commercialization of AI. As far as machines becoming sentient and having rights and all, just don’t have them look like people…make them look like farm animals.

The supposed problem with AI is a takeover when AI is intelligent enough to know a better way (by its lights) to run the whole show, realizing that humans are part of the problem with no role at all in the solution.

Oh is that all? That would involve corrective software updates. Or did we program the machines to decide when they feel like updating with baseline code they are writing? Honestly the only way I see all that happening is with intentional malware or negligent design . There are ways of avoiding some hostile takeover by machines as long as we are proactive with what we allow and provide for security and surveillance.

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