The Jews claim that the Messiah is here, but is he the real one?

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  • #45093

    Johan
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    Is it expected that the new Messiah will be sacrificed for us or does he have other plans? Quick, I must find a theologian!

    That was His Dad who died, Brother.    The Real Jesus is you.  As can be seen in this link.  Which is a Facebook link but which opens without login.

    https://www.facebook.com/groups/462503747758118/posts/1015458545795966/?__cft__%5B0%5D=AZXk2UFk9oY79-iKXZa5ok4B6pbXd1w8npdCOl3wlbb3I6EDIG2REVUCzOGWPbKKhse0l5GGj02K5kJTpnkLdf_Ro7kg4CM0_r38Kt6bururC3DpXhJ1LRXmvti2g9_zrzhwPF37eahhYU3w_–Nq57rK3kOg2ya0VAQ8IiHGg5lP9Us_KtnUPct2QJBEbyDVAHRecs-hb0Li6m-GOwSqbCM&__tn__=%2CO%2CP-R

     

    #45100

    _Robert_
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    Quick, I must find a theologian!

    You found one Brother Reg!

    #45105

    Davis
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     And thus His Life should be visible too.

    And yet he only shows up in ancient stories, people’s hallucinations and as images in burnt toast. God should be visible but he is not. He never shows up, not a trace of evidence beyond people’s words, feelings and unverifiable text (if you don’t include shoddy “logical” arguments which we shouldn’t because why would we?). Show me God, actual proof, not nonsense, and we can talk. Until then…not interested.

    p.s. things that are not evidence under any circumstances:

    Because you say so

    Because you feel it

    Because you truly believe everything in an ancient book

    Because you cannot imagine how else things can be

    Because the religion you believe in is/was widespread

    Because you don’t like the other religions

    Because there simply must be meaning behind everything

    Bad theological proofs of God’s existence

    Supposed miracles easily explained

    #45106

    _Robert_
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    Excellent points, Davis.

    #45107

    jakelafort
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    Yeah excellent points.

    One omission: Prophecies interpreted and spun upside down, inside out, round and round until they redound to the bias of the interpreter.

    #45108

    Autumn
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    Because you feel it.

    It’s not a valid legal defence either. According to Judge Prudhomme, just because I felt a deep connection does not mean I can steal my neighbour’s cat. Also neither a valid legal defence nor theological proof: But he’s so fluffy!

    #45109

    @Johan, I see you are still trying to be a Godly Being. But like I said over 2 years ago, religion keeps your mind chained and makes free-thought impossible.

    Once again I quoted Dracula, to make the point that quoting the Bible is not proof of anything. At best it is just a claim and thinking it is anymore than that is just circular reasoning.

    #45110

    Quick, I must find a theologian! You found one Brother Reg!

    I was once kidnapped by a bunch of Catholic theologians. One of them asked me if I ever wondered if God was the eschatological manifestation of the very charisma of my being? I said I did not understand one of those words and asked them to explain what they meant by “God”.

    He is the ultimate Spirit, one of them said. He is the supreme and ultimate reality, said another. He who is Perfect and Forever in every way because He is the Way, chimed in another.

    We have spent years studying the existential questions of life from the safety of our monastery. We have bought you here to show you the ethereal nature of your ways and to show you the correct exegesis for Biblical interpretation. I am good with ex-Jesus, I replied. No, no, and they argued that my biblical hermeneutics were all wrong and that I would never get a sensus plenior if I continued to misread their special book.

    To argue with men who have renounced the use and authority of reason, and whose philosophy consists in holding humanity in contempt, is like administering medicine to the dead, or endeavoring to convert an atheist by scripture, I retorted.

    With that Thomas Paine entered from a side door and asked who had called for him. I put my hand up and said these guys are driving me fucking nuts. He looked at the trembling theologians and said to them he had returned to usher in a new Age of Reason to the world.

    “The study of theology, as it stands in Christian churches, is the study of nothing; it is founded on nothing; it rests on no principles; it proceeds by no authorities; it has no data; it can demonstrate nothing; and it admits of no conclusion. Not anything can be studied as a science, without our being in possession of the principles upon which it is founded; and as this is the case with Christian theology, it is therefore the study of nothing.”

    And with those words the theologians ran from their monastery, into the light, and never used the term hermeneutics ever again. Then I woke up.

    #45111

    Unseen
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    My question is which of the funny hats the orthodox Jews wear is the one approved by the Messiah and how long are his braided locks?

    He needs to perform a miracle or two as well. After all, Jesus performed The Miracle of the Swine:

    One of the well-known miracles performed by Jesus during his Galilean ministry is the healing of the Gadarene demoniacs. Following his stilling of the storm, Jesus crosses over to the eastern shore of the Sea of Galilee and finds two men possessed by demons who live in tombs. He removes the demons from the men and casts the former into a large herd of swine, who then run off a steep cliff drowning themselves in the lake. Where exactly did this famous exorcism occur? The answer is more complicated that you might expect.

    (BTW, in reading that paragraph, I was left with a question: So, were the demons in the tombs or in the men? or in both at once.)

    Anyway, any miracles forthcoming?

    #45123

    TheEncogitationer
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    Fellow Unbelievers,

    Aw, man! It’s bad enough that last week, my workplace parking lot, my windshield included, got littered with 474-page tomes of The Great Controversy by E.G. White. Now I gotta deal with this junk here? Ay Yi Yi! 🙄

    #45124

    TheEncogitationer
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    Reg,

    If that happened to me, either it would be a very brief night terror to wake me up from sleeping on my arm, or it would turn to an epic-long version of The Great Escape, with me and other captives digging Tom, Dick, and Harry to get a way out. 😎

    #45133

    TheEncogitationer
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    Michael17 and Johan,

    All I know is this so-called Messiah is a crappy schedule-maker and schedule-keeper:

    One Bible verse said that Jesus the Messiah would return within the lifetime of the Disciples:


    Verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come. Matthew 10:23

    And another verse says he won’t come until the Gospel is preached unto all nations:


    And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come. Matthew 24:14

    So which line in the Holy Tickler Memo are we supposed to believe? 🤔

    #45136

    michael17
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    Michael17 and Johan, All I know is this so-called Messiah is a crappy schedule-maker and schedule-keeper: One Bible verse said that Jesus the Messiah would return within the lifetime of the Disciples: Verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come. Matthew 10:23 And another verse says he won’t come until the Gospel is preached unto all nations: And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come. Matthew 24:14 So which line in the Holy Tickler Memo are we supposed to believe? 🤔

    Without receiving the Christ mind which is acquired upon receipt of the second birth, the Lord introduced in his discourse to Nicodemus, we must rely on scholarship. As such, since the testimony of Jesus (Yeshua) is the spirit of prophecy, we infer from the book of the Revelation that an enormous amount of history transpires  before is bodily return. But spiritually he has been here from the onset. Thus the ever increasing wars, famines and earthquakes are signs of his presence as the earth reels in travail as a woman about to give birth ( bodily resurrection of  his martyrs)

     

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    #45138

    _Robert_
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    Michael, FYI you missed an all-important capital “H for he” in your gobblygook.

     But spiritually he has been here from the onset.

    Please be more careful in the future,

    -thankyou, jeebus

    #45142

    jakelafort
    Participant

    Michael, why the rapid transformation to and from Johan? Was it because of Johan Tetzel? Who is michael17? Who is Johan?

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