The Jews claim that the Messiah is here, but is he the real one?

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    jakelafort wrote:Yes that is good objective evidence. Here is a book about the early Christians that maintains that even among the cults of Rome the early Christians were freaky freaks. Sacrifices. Subterannean chambers for getting high. I forgot the drugs they used. Oh, and weird sex shit. Ty

    False doctrines were at least prophesied alone with false Messiahs.And among members of the Christ body some fell victim to fornication

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    @Johan, I have no idea what you mean by “first wife”. Who proposed to whom? Who are his other wives? I don’t know what you mean by a “living god”. It would be of no use if He were a dead one? What does His voice sound like when you are in communication? Is Hebrew or Aramaic your lingua franca when in conversation? Can you also support any of what you are talking about with evidence?

    All these questions I actually showed you when i took you in my bus to come and take a look for yourself, Brother.  Let us look at the Reality and then you ask me questions on what you see.  And of course ask questions around.  Because you see our Family of Gods.  It is not about me alone anymore, Brother.

    And please don’t keep quoting scripture. That is meaningless to us when we don’t believe your god exists in the first place.

    I totally agree there, Brother.  That is why I took you to your Family of Gods where we actually exists and you see for yourself our existence together as Mother and Father and Kids of various ages and Spiritual Growth.

    A lot of what who are writing here seems nonsensical to us. Many of us know nothing about Christianity so you might as well be talking about Poseidon.

    I agree.  That is why I took you with our bus to our actual Lives as Gods in order for you to Experience it for yourself and ask questions on what you see and don’t understand.

    Could you start by giving us a coherent description of this God so we can come to know what you mean. Stop telling us it is on Facebook. Some of us see Facebook as vulgar and immoral and a corrupter of human decency so we don’t have FB accounts.

    You are “backbiting” Facebook now.  With lies.  They are a group just like you.  Nothing different.  They also have their “slave master” like you have. Who is ruling in human accepted laws.  Ruling with fear.  Kicking out those that they “judged” didn’t obey their laws.  Just like you and all other “skeptic and atheist groups” too.  You are all Nunya.   

    So any problem you have with Facebook you should rebuke them.  Not speak behind their backs.  As I am doing with “Nunya” now.  And you should go and tell “Nunya”.  Because I can not.  And if can.  Except if you fear him of course.

    This is now totally opposite in God ruling on my Facebook account in Love and Wisdom.  Without any laws nor evil threats of bans that breaks up relationships and has fear as its basis.  There we just Rebuke the “naughty”.  Which is Dad’s Discipline in Love to give them Spiritual Growth.

    Hebrews 12: 5 And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him:
    6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.
    7 If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?
    8 But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.
    9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?
    10 For they verily for a few days chastened us after their own pleasure; but he for our profit, that we might be partakers of his holiness.
    11 Now no chastening for the present seemeth to be joyous, but grievous: nevertheless afterward it yieldeth the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them which are exercised thereby.


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    @Johan – You also seem to suggest you are one of the immortals too or I misreading what you seem to be saying? But there is only One Reality, Brother. My reality contains nothing of that you have spoken about. There are almost 8 billion realities. They are all subjective to each individual human. There are deductions made based upon our understandings about the universe that can be seen as objective building blocks to a shared reality that many people can agree on and form their own subjective realities from. There are also shared faith based ideas that are interwoven into the worldviews of people who accept some of the same objective building blocks that atheists do and then mesh them with their accepted religious views of the world. From their they create their own versions of reality. But just because we can only hold one view of reality at at time, it does not mean that our version is the only version or that it is the correct version. Every time we get a new understanding about the natural world and how it relates to us, our version of reality is changed. This may lead us towards what we can consider to be universal truths. But to cling to what we might call an unchanging truth is a mistake.

    I totally agree.  So don’t cling to yours.  I took you with God’s Bus to my Live.  Where and how I am actually Living it as a Wife of God and a Mother to His Kids.  In a Realm of Spirit.  Where we Exists Spiritually with God as our Husband and Dad.  And where He creates our Lives and Rule in Love and Wisdom as the Head of our Family.  So you are there and on the bus.  And I suggest you don’t sit in it but “get off” and start looking and seeing what is actually going on.

    To change, adapt and evolve is human. Gods exists only in peoples minds.

    That was your perspective up to now.  But your Brother, Abaddon [atheist like you] does not agree after actually “getting a bit of the bus”.  Unfortunately for him he only got off at one stop.  The side of the persecution.   Where they were “back biting” me.  He should have gotten off the bus too.  Where i was actually living at that time. 

    If you think I am mistaken then explain why and with some supporting evidence.

    This is now your answer from sitting in the bus with excuses on why you can not get off.  But the door is open.  Now you sit there and ask me to tell you how we are living.  While you have the opportunity to get of and live with us to see it in Practice happening.  You really have to change your perspective now on what you should do.  Because what you are doing shows a complete lack of Wisdom.

    Then I will adapt my version. I am happy to embrace you god and reject my atheism if you can offer me something that gets me there. I will consider any objective evidence that you put on the table. Then I will get on the bus.

    You are already there in my Spiritual bus.  Just like Abaddon was.  So get off it now.  It is your choice to sit in the bus with excuses or to get off it and get another view from the point of Reality.  Where you can actually “see” what is going on for yourself.

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    Very much like drug addicts, stumbling around talking mythical gibberish. Brothers and Sisters, they have all the evidence they need in that “schtick” that tickles their brains.

    I see you already accepted the Baby God’s spiritual Growth.  Where you see all as your Brothers and Sisters.  Good, Brother.  We have only One Father.  And that gives us a much Greater Experience of Life in Family Existence that the humans who have their own “small family”.

    Their “pushers” are obvious frauds who fell like bowling pins the from covid they contracted from being “on the bus” as the “blood of jesus” once again proves to be useless.

    Seems you just know about the Blood of Jesus” but never entered there, Brother.  Where you and your Brothers and Sisters can not sin anymore to break your Relationships.  So you have still “broken relationships” of humans?

    This family of incongruous great delusions called religion would simply be comical if people didn’t massacre each other because of it.

    Yep.  Agree, Brother.  That is why they are called the “Baby Gods”.

    1 Cor 3: 1 And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ. 2 I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able. 3 For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men? 4 For while one saith, I am of Paul; and another, I am of Apollos; are ye not carnal? 5 Who then is Paul, and who is Apollos, but ministers by whom ye believed, even as the Lord gave to every man? 6 I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase. 7 So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase.

    But don’t worry.  They are severely Disciplined by Dad with slavery.

    2 Cor. 11: 20 For ye suffer, if a man bring you into bondage, if a man devouryou, if a man take of you, if a man exalt himself, if a man smite u on the face.


    They also have just mind knowledge about the Blood of Jesus and never really entered to be Brothers and Sisters now.  One Family.

    Yes, expect he is all ‘Zeros’ and no ‘Ones’

    LOL Brother Reg, there are binary methods of representing “Less than zero” as well.

    Yep.  There are many representations and One Representation from God of course too.



    Brother Robert, I am trying not to be negative. I suppose if I too can become an immortal I will be able to divide by infinity instead. signed and unsigned, Brother Reg.

    Yep.  You are just human.  And you have only “trying”.  But now you are invited to get of the “bus” and enter my Family Life.  Not sitting inside and ask questions about it.  While you should Live with Us and then ask your questions on what you actually see and experience.



    I suppose psychosis is always going to find an expression. I wonder whether borderline psychosis might not manifest without the fertile territory religion furnishes its host. Talk about immersed in horse shit there is seemingly endless mythology and opportunity to superimpose oneself in the fiction.

    Seems you are also stuck in lack of Wisdom “inside the bus”, Brother?  Is it “fear” of witnessing Gods in actual Life Living together keeping you there or also fear because of  “ignorance about Facebook operations” too.  Like Brother @regthefronkeyfarmer?




    The Bible is not the Reality of things. It is just the Words of God.

    “Just” the words of God? Question… Why is it do you think that the words of God would have needed to be “selected” by a council?

    Yep.  You are on the right path.  The Words of God creates Life.

    John 6: 63  It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

    When you can speak them you are a Creator too.  And I used them to create my Family of Gods.  Where I am their Mom.  I did the “travailing for them”.  By the Words of God.

    Gal. 4: 19 My little children, of whom I travail in birth again until Christ be formed in you,

    I don’t know about you… But every “Council” I have ever encountered is the last place on earth you’ll find unbiased objectivity or pure unadulterated motives.

    I totally agree.  That is why God broke them down in Jesus and built the True “Council” in just 3 days.  And He is again breaking them down.

    (Could not think of an alternative to the words pure unadulterated… I have been spending too much time in the dispensary)

    Huh, Sister?  How was that?

    Do you think that God smokes weed? Do you think that Jesus got high? 😉

    Sure.  But Heavenly Weed that you can smoke too.  As you can see that is exactly what happened here.  And be judged the same by all who witnessed.

    Acts 2:1 And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.
    2 And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.
    3 And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.
    4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.
    5 And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven.
    6 Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language.
    7 And they were all amazed and marvelled, saying one to another, Behold, are not all these which speak Galilæans?
    8 And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born?
    9 Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, and in Judæa, and Cappadocia, in Pontus, and Asia,
    10 Phrygia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes,
    11 Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God.
    12 And they were all amazed, and were in doubt, saying one to another, What meaneth this?
    13 Others mocking said, These men are full of new wine.
    14 ¶But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and said unto them, Ye men of Judæa, and all ye that dwell at Jerusalem, be this known unto you, and hearken to my words:
    15 For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day.
    16 But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;
    17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:



    Why is it do you think that the words of God would have needed to be “selected” by a council?

    Well said, BR!

    I agree, Brother.  The Words of God creates Life.  As is seen in Genesis.  I used them to create myself to be a Mother of God’s Kids and are using them now to Create my Family.  As is seen on Facebook.  You can look at them without entering them of course if you don’t have a Facebook account.  Because all my posts are public.  Maybe you also have some fake fears for Facebook?  Which actually makes you a “coward”, Brother?  You agree, Brother @regthefronkeyfarmer?

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    Participant should cause a storm of interrogating skeptics:

    Yep.  But as that Child of God said.  The Messiah came already.  And many are already Saved and God’s Kids by the Word of God on Jesus.  Now we are into the Second coming of Jesus.  Which is the Real Jesus.  Created by the Word of Jesus.  And that is you of course, Brother.


    Participant should cause a storm of interrogating skeptics:

    Cuz it just doesn’t get more scientific than testimony from insane religious zealots on a tictok video. Pathetic.

    I agree.  Really “pathetic”, Brother.  The Jesus that is now here is the Real One.  Judging and Ruling in Wisdom.   Taking away the human laws and Ruling Himself in Person.  Because the human laws operated in fear and not Love.  Thus those who enter the Ruling of Jesus enjoys now Love and Wisdom which raises them in their Godly Life of being Jesus too.


    Participant should cause a storm of interrogating skeptics:

    Cuz it just doesn’t get more scientific than testimony from insane religious zealots on a tictok video. Pathetic.

    Quoting Carl Sagan: “Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence” The highly esteemed top Rabbinical authorities are putting their reputations on the line by backing claims of miracles performed by the purported Messiah. Such claims should be open to rigorous scientific scrutiny.

    I totally agree, Brother.  That is why I presented the means to be “rigorous scrutinized”.   Because I am a Creation of God. 

    For many years I was a Bride of God and doing Judging.  Where i Judged the present day Christianity.   As verified in a “rigorous scrutiny“.  To really be that.  This took place in visiting my hometown by the means I gave for a period of 3 years.  And it worked flawlessly.  Now I am again presenting opportunity for my Creation as Wife of God.  But if the opportunity is not taken then of course it is not my mistake.  Because the Example is clearly presented too.  To See!

    You agree, Brother @regthefronkeyfarmer?



    “Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence”…. Yes, but some claims are clearly unworthy of anything other than being immediately dismissed from our thoughts. Skepticism is not required in this instance. We know miracles don’t happen.

    If the evidence is presented then there should be a “scrutiny”.  To refute them.  And seems you are running from this which you should have done because of your lack of Ability from God to do it, Brother.  That is fake “skepticism”.  As you can clearly see in your Brother, Abaddon.  He is a True Skeptic.

    The top Rabbinical authorities are only highly esteemed amongst themselves. It is a fallacy, an appeal to authority, that is wasted on us.

    That is of course no real “scrutiny” but proving you to be a fake “Skeptic” who relies on his mind and making his own mind the truth of all that exists, Brother.  You are just a “theologian” too.  With delusions, Brother.  No evidence at all.  But in this particular case I actually put the blame before our “so called Messiah” who did not have what it takes to present the opportunity to a world wide “rigorous scrutiny” by anyone who so wish.  Just like Abaddon and everyone have their opportunity now with the Real Jesus.  Who is Jude and King in Ruling Authority in Wisdom.

    Proverbs 8:14 Counsel is mine, and sound wisdom: I am understanding; I have strength.
    15 By me kings reign, and princes decree justice.
    16 By me princes rule, and nobles, even all the judges of the earth.
    17 I love them that love me; and those that seek me early shall find me.

    Just as it happened in the days of King Solomon in God’s Wisdom.

    Proverbs 8: 27 Then the king answered and said, Give her the living child, and in no wise slay it: she is the mother thereof.
    28 And all Israel heard of the judgment which the king had judged; and they feared the king: for they saw that the wisdom of God was in him, to do judgment.

    Which was “rigorous scrutinised”.  From all over the world.

    1 Kings 10:1 And when the queen of Sheba heard of the fame of Solomon concerning the name of the Lord, she came to prove him with hard questions.
    2 And she came to Jerusalem with a very great train, with camels that bare spices, and very much gold, and precious stones: and when she was come to Solomon, she communed with him of all that was in her heart.
    3 And Solomon told her all her questions: there was not any thing hid from the king, which he told her not.*n1
    4 And when the queen of Sheba had seen all Solomon’s wisdom, and the house that he had built,
    5 And the meat of his table, and the sitting of his servants, and the attendance of his ministers, and their apparel, and his cupbearers, and his ascent by which he went up unto the house of the Lord; there was no more spirit in her.*n2*n3
    6 And she said to the king, It was a true report that I heard in mine own land of thy acts and of thy wisdom.*n4*n5
    7 Howbeit I believed not the words, until I came, and mine eyes had seen it: and, behold, the half was not told me: thy wisdom and prosperity exceedeth the fame which I heard.

    They are only theologians and theology is the study of nothing and that is what their authority is founded upon.

    Nope.  In this case you missed, Brother.  This is “Jesus” walking around and performing miracles.  To be “rigorously scrutinezed” by all.  This “Jesus” just didn’t make it possible for you and me.  Seem like a bit of a lack in “his” Wisdom there.  I would like to meet with “Him” and tell Him.  Because i am His Mom.  But He was never  born of “Me”.  So I have the evidence in Him being a fake Second coming of Jesus.  He is just the “first coming” and such a meager coming in relation to the one in the Bible.

    I once heard a Rabbi say that he had spent 6 to 10 hours a day for over 60 years studying scripture. How sad is that?

    I agree.  The Bible should not be studied but used.  It is the Word of God that creates Life.  And if you miss it and create only mind knowledge you ate the tree of knowledge and not the Tree of Life.

    Gen. 2: 9 And out of the ground made the Lord God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.



    Johan. Concentrate please.
    You have come to our house, our atheist zone, and not respected the rules of this house. One of the main rules regarding posting, is that you may not quote biblical texts. If you want to refer to a biblical text, you can provide a link.

    As far as the non biblical text you post, whilst it may be weird, it’s within the behaviour expectations of this site.

    You are in our home now. Please respect the house rules.



    Johan. Concentrate please. You have come to our house, our atheist zone, and not respected the rules of this house. One of the main rules regarding posting, is that you may not quote biblical texts. If you want to refer to a biblical text, you can provide a link. As far as the non biblical text you post, whilst it may be weird, it’s within the behaviour expectations of this site. You are in our home now. Please respect the house rules.

    Notice the classic flaw. He puts forth an unsupported proposal and then claims that those who see no reason to believe it are the one actually making claims. This is as shallow as it gets. Yeah, they really take the ‘rely not on your own intellect’ command to heart, LOL.

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