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  • #7674

    PopeBeanie
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    That WDYYB bullshit is just old school pseudoscience.

    I have a different take on that, possibly because of a naivete… I think I read Transactional Analysis, but today I had to look up WDYYB to see what it’s about. You’re probably ahead of me on that, and I’m thinking that if you’re right about it, I’m ok if I don’t waste any more time looking into what it is or how it may or may not have evolved in the therapy industry.  I think the yes-but was never one of my significant impediments to transacting with people, so I’m not worried about it atm.

    I’m still wondering what @toms is intending to say when he repeats that [something like] “PTSD is just a natural human thing”, or something like that. (Tom, the context it seems to me to belong to when I read it is something like “what’s all this fuss about PTSD, anyway, just get over yourself?”. Can you correct me on this, or explain more about what you mean to say?)

    In any case Belle, I’m with Strega when she says “I believe in you”! And I mean it. Whatever your life story is, and no matter how far you’ve fallen, you’ve always come back stronger and better than before. Haha, even if currently, it seems you could hate most humans on this planet. And I’m still learning from you in almost every post.

    (OK now, as a psuedo-therapist, I’m sorry but I must ask you this question in my official capacity. You know, it’s that yearly form I have to fill out for my boss: “Have you ever had ideations of  going Jihad?”)

    🙂

    #7678

    Tom Sarbeck
    Participant

    PB, I’m saying PTS (without the D) is not a disorder.

    Just as the stages of the body’s immune response system are how the body protects the body from infection, PTS’s four stages—hyperalertness, emotional avoidance, physical  avoidance, acting out—are how the mind protects the mind from trauma.

    As to the ‘self’, we each take one everywhere we go, so it’s not something anyone can get over.

     

    #7680

    .
    Spectator

    …which has nothing to do with WDYYB

    #7681

    Tom Sarbeck
    Participant

    The WDYYB game has a few variations.

    The lonely YB character starts with a non-specific plea for help or complaint.

    The WDY character tries to help and suggests a remedy.

    YB says something like “That’s not good enough” and  wins the round.

    WDY, not wanting to lose, tries again.

    The exchanges continue, YB always winning and WDY always losing.

    A bored YB might end the game; a frustrated WDY might end it.

    For instance. Where I am we will soon elect a council chair and vice-chair.

    YB: “The council doesn’t do anything.”

    WDY, defending the council: “They did X.”

    YB, attacking:“That’s nothing.”

    WDY tries again,

    Etc, etc, etc.

     

     

    #7682

    mikelansing
    Participant

    Suggested reading is Melanie Beatty, Co-Dependent No More

    #7683

    mikelansing
    Participant

    PTS without the D is problematic, especially due to COMT gene correlations as well as the French approach to PTSD treatment, which is a kind of fragmentation of the ego.

    #7684

    mikelansing
    Participant

    No, violent images in PTSD may arrive unannounced. The “self” can do nothing about them.

    #7705

    Tom Sarbeck
    Participant

    @mikelansing:

    A person’s body might be strong enough that its immune response can defeat the effects of an infection without medical intervention.

    Similarly, a person’s mind might be strong enough that one or more of its PTS stages can defeat the effects of a traumatic event without therapeutic intervention.

    The French approach? The American approach requires money for therapy.

    The DSMs have from time to time been changed to reflect new understandings of conditions. Homosexuality was once a disorder.

     

    #7711

    mikelansing
    Participant

    Apart from healthcare being free in Russia and the avarice of the American (capitalist) approach to PTSD, the actual PTSD mutation in the COMT gene reveals that the subject can less-easily defeat the traumatic experience. That would be a catechol-O-methyltransferase gene. In French, it’s Etat de stress post-traumatique, and we’ll translate forthcoming excerpts from this study:

    L’etat de stress post-traumatique comme consequence de l’interaction entre susceptibilite genetique individuelle, un evenement traumatogene et un contexte social

    (L’encephale Volume 38 (2012): 373-80)

     

    ‘S’interessant a la neuromodulation noradrenergique, une interaction entre le polynorphisme du gene GABRA2 et la survenue d’un ESPT….polymorphisme Val(158)Met du gene codant pour la catecholamine-o-methyltransferase a egalement ete retrouvee.’

     

    An English equivalent is here:

    Val(158)Met Polymorphism / PTSD

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/29248614

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