Who can rightfully claim which scriptures are/aren't valid, true, or God's word?

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    PopeBeanie
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    (I’m not asking agnostics or atheists.)

    Anyone who authors any such claims are merely fallible human beings, right? E.g. Mohammed only said he spoke with the angel Gabriele. Come on, is it not arrogant, or just plain foolish to claim to know anything about God,  based only on what human beings wrote, without first having a personal, face-to-face conversation with God about at least a few verses and chapters in scripture? Much less every verse, chapter, and book available.

    Mere human beings wrote them all, and the version of scripture that people adopt is inevitably chosen mainly on the basis of whatever their local culture believes they should adopt. No first-hand proof needed, just the comfort of being accepted by society or by special friends, or in some cases, just the self-assuring confidence that one knows truths that other non-believers do not.

    No circular reasoning allowed here, like the Bible is true because the Bible says says blah blah…

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    Autumn
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    What degree of validation is required? Traditional means of verifying an author or source don’t really apply here, so wouldn’t the direct source be needed? At the very least, maybe one of them OT angles showing off a little old school genocidal flare.

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    Strega
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    Really hope that the responses to this do not contain great swathes of biblical text.

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    PopeBeanie
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    Really hope that the responses to this do not contain great swathes of biblical text.

    LOL, I’m aiming for that too, while this exercise necessarily requires evidence from an outside source. Preferably directly from God, but I’m not holding my breath.

    #45363

    PopeBeanie
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    … although I am curious if God ever personally claimed a specific gender, or to actually be a real father? It’s all just hearsay, as far as I can determine.

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    _Robert_
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    … although I am curious if God ever personally claimed a specific gender, or to actually be a real father? It’s all just hearsay, as far as I can determine.

    Lord’s prayer does begin with “Our Father…” (Matthew 6:9), but Moses gets the extreme privilege to look at his ass for some reason, Kinky, LOL. (Exodus 33:18-34:7)

    20 And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live.

    21 And the Lord said, Behold, there is a place by me, and thou shalt stand upon a rock:

    22 And it shall come to pass, while my glory passeth by, that I will put thee in a clift of the rock, and will cover thee with my hand while I pass by:

    23 And I will take away mine hand, and thou shalt see my back parts: but my face shall not be seen.

    But yeah, that all that father stuff may be language/culture related.

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    jakelafort
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    It would be surprising if Gods were conceived as having no gender. Instead it is as expected a reflection of the simpletons and a projection onto and into their mythology.

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