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  • #43248

    Unseen
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    @Enco

    The current school shooting/mass shooting/gun mayhem situation. Is it satisfactory to you, even as the best of all evils? If it’s not satisfactory, what is a better solution than gun control?

    #43250

    TheEncogitationer
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    Reg,

    You do know, of course, that homeschooled children aren’t just confined to their homes and go on field trips, visits to parks, libraries, and museums, visit factories to see how products are made, go to visit parents at work, play in sports, and all things other children do, right?

    You do know that homeschooled children frequently win National spelling bees with vocaublary in more places than just Gun & Ammo as well as move on to attend colleges at early ages, right?

    You do know there are more Secular learning curricula and media than are countable to help people lewrn new things, much either free or reasonably-priced, right?

    And you do know that Thomas Alva Edison was considered “addle-headed” by his teacher and spent only 30 days in formal schooling until he went on to invent the light bulb, phonograph, motion pictures, hearing aids, and to market thousands of other inventions his staff invented, and to proclaim that “All religion is bunk,” right?

    You do know that both Bill Gates and Steve Wozniak were drop-outs and that computer certifications for Information Age technology that surrounds our daily lives requires no Government license or agovernment schooling, right?

    Thomas Sowell has it that “Life is trade-offs” And offhand I’d say homeschooling is a trade-up.

    If I had children, I’d trade off a lot of things to get and keep my children learning for a lifetime and living safe and free. And I’d actually tell great Dad jokes too.

    • This reply was modified 2 months ago by  TheEncogitationer. Reason: Self-correcting. Something the homeschooled and self-taught do well
    #43252

    TheEncogitationer
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    Unseen,

    I’ve been telling all this time that one way is to stop forcing childr3n to attend schools where they are soft targets qnd where neither the staff nor police care whether they are slaughtered or not.

    And while all of you are fixated on guns in the hands of people who don’t commit crimes, you’re letting the bad guys who assisted the murderer get away. Police not only did nothing to the murderer until after 21 people were dead, but they activly restrained wnd arrested parents seeking to save children.

    This woman they held for “obstruction of justice for trying to save her children and for being in a position to reveal the truth about their homicidal negligence:

    #43253

    Unseen
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    Reg, You do know, of course, that homeschooled children aren’t just confined to their homes and go on field trips, visits to parks, libraries, and museums, visit factories to see how products are made, go to visit parents at work, play in sports, and all things other children do, right? You do know that homeschooled children frequently win National spelling bees with vocaublary in more places than just Gun & Ammo as well as move on to attend colleges at early ages, right? You do know there are more Secular learning curricula and media than are countable to help people lewrn new things, much either free or reasonably-priced, right? And you do know that Thomas Alva Edison was considered “addle-headed” by his teacher and spent only 30 days in formal schooling until he went on to invent the light bulb, phonograph, motion pictures, hearing aids, and to market thousands of other inventions his staff invented, and to proclaim that “All religion is bunk,” right? You do know that both Bill Gates and Steve Wozniak were drop-outs and that computer certifications for Information Age technology that surrounds our daily lives requires no Government license or agovernment schooling, right? Thomas Sowell has it that “Life is trade-offs” And offhand I’d say homeschooling is a trade-up. If I had children, I’d trade off a lot of things to get and keep my children learning for a lifetime and living safe and free. And I’d actually tell great Dad jokes too.

    How do homeschooled children learn to interact with their peers? Do you count yourself as a good example of socialization?

    One lesson I’d teach my kids is that you can’t win every argument (0r try) and have friends. At least occasionally, you have to own up to being human who is not omniscient.

    #43254

    TheEncogitationer
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    Unseen,

    By the way, quit Sealioning. Everything you need to know is there if you look.

    Sealioning–Wikipedia
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sealioning

    And that goes for anybody if you want any conversation with me.

    #43255

    TheEncogitationer
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    Robert,

    So, basically, you’re confessing to being a bully to others you see as lesser than you.

    Well, that makes you part of the problem. I’d introspect on that.

    #43256

    TheEncogitationer
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    Unseen,

    I have slowly come to know this much: If there is only one life to live, it is ill-spent trying to convince people of a truth if they won’t listen and only have sealioning, insults, and bullying to offer.

    #43257

    jakelafort
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    Enco, what am i? Chopped liver?

    I reiterate. So even as lethality of weapons increases bearing arms is an absolute right. The state has no business interfering?

    #43258

    Autumn
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    Unseen, I’ve been telling all this time that one way is to stop forcing childr3n to attend schools where they are soft targets qnd where neither the staff nor police care whether they are slaughtered or not.

    It doesn’t add up as a solution. It isn’t just schools you’d have to deal with but any places where people congregate in numbers. Schools (including universities and colleges), malls, churches, cinemas, public events, etc. Unless you stop people from gathering in numbers, targets exist, especially for assailants who are more than willing to die or who aren’t thinking clearly enough to consider the consequences.

    Furthermore, while I do support some measure of letting kids have a say in schooling, there are considerable practical limitations. An eight-year-old can’t decide to stay home alone for home schooling if there is no one to take care of them during the day, neither can they enrol themselves in a private school or shop for neighbourhoods with schools that meet their needs. Even if they could reasonably appreciate security risks, the decision-making power just isn’t going to reside with them.

    Further more, it flat out disgusts me that you’d suggest the staff don’t care if the students get slaughtered.

    #43259

    You do know, of course, that homeschooled children aren’t just confined to their homes.

    Yes, I did know that. But I don’t really think that was the main point I was arguing. More cops with guns is not a solution to preventing the slaughter of schoolchildren. I don’t understand how people can think it is a viable solution.

    #43260

    Unseen
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    Unseen, By the way, quit Sealioning. Everything you need to know is there if you look. Sealioning–Wikipedia https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sealioning And that goes for anybody if you want any conversation with me.

    As you have ignored, it’s only sealioning if the requests for a response are insincere.

    Now, as many people here know, I simply don’t read long posts. I read posts which are succinct, not posts designed to bury the reader under a blizzard of argument and evidence. In a lengthy post, I’ll sometimes scan for a point I feel I want or need to answer.

    If you want to hit me with a particularly salient point, by all means do so. If I’m wrong and it’s clear that I’m wrong, I’ll admit.

    So, I repeat, not to harass, but because I think I’m not the only one wondering…

    How do homeschooled children learn to interact with their peers? Do you count yourself as a good example of socialization?

    I’m asking sincerely, as one who attended a public school where I took classes with blacks, Italians, Eastern Europeans, and the occasional Asian (not many Asians in Cleveland in the 60’s), Jews, Catholics, protestants, and various Eastern religions. I think it benefitted me in terms of being tolerant.

    One lesson I’d teach my kids is that you can’t win every argument (0r try) and have friends. At least occasionally, you have to own up to being a human who is not omniscient.

    You disagree?

     

     

    #43261

    Davis
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    Nice lazy, incoherent dig at “Socialism”.

    Yeah that really was a groan inducing “dig” at “socialism”. Take something that in general immensely benefits people and highly reduces pointless suffering in countries where these programs are not controversial and generally supported, find a few examples where things don’t work perfectly (or even need notably improvement) and use it to dismiss the whole enterprise. This is an absolute page from the libertarian playbook.

    If only we could emulate some US states where people are left to rot homeless in the street, pointless die an avoidable death due to no insurance, have their children taken away because there is little support to help them and find people taking much longer to get back on their feet leading to greater social problems, crime and disfunction. Why on Earth isn’t Europe copying this successful model?

    #43262

    Autumn
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    Covid-19 highlighted significant issues with long-term care in both public and private facilities in Canada (especially Quebec) where there were issues of understaffing and neglect. Amongst private facilities, non-profits fared better wrt mortality rates than private equity facilities trying to squeeze out profit. I don’t know how private overall compared to public. I think, for both public and private sector what we see is care will not magically happen as a byproduct of the system, but rather the only way to have high standards of care is to actually prioritize high standards of care.

    I think where both public sector and private equity interest fail is they both look too much at cost cutting albeit one for the sake of budget and the other for profit-motive. Removing the public sector entirely doesn’t work because there are fundamental needs that must be met and there has to be some means of preventing elderly abuse for profit motive. However, the public sector in Canada really does need to revisit its delivery modes in many sectors for a number of reasons. In either case, it feels like a distorted perspective of money is fucking things up quite a bit.

    #43263

    jakelafort
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    Free market and care are anathema for well-being but great for despair.

    Unless it is dope. Lets get better THC and cannabinoids from the free market. Smoke em if ya gottem. I aint gottem so i cant smoke em…

    That ain’t fair.

    #43264

    jakelafort
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    Bearing in mind that digression is the oxygen of intelligence and bearing arms is becoming a stale topic how is it that dopers are skinny? I want to eat like three horses and a Naked and Afraid contestant when i partake.

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