Will you trust the Covid vaccine?

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    Davis
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    Encoginator, I think you are unaware of just how different and exceptional social media is as a quick and easy way to disseminate clearly disruptive and destructive “false information” which is money making poison especially for facebook and twitter. It is nothing like the moral panic of television or magazines when they came out. Open your eyes. There was virtually no controversy about vaccines in continental Europe before social media and now a considerable percentage of Europeans do not want their children vaccinated because of videos and web-shite posts being passed around (all stuff that produce a lot of clicks and make money for social media). The point is, facebook could easily limit the spread of false information about vaccines, they do limit the spread of false information for other things, especially those that do not make money. They don’t do so with vaccines because doing so wouldn’t be profitable. The effect that it has had on what should be simple and essential solutions to health problems as well as creating political controversy out of thin air, permitting serious foreign election interference, spreading dangerous information in some countries leading to lynch mobs that murder people and permit the quick organisations of violent attacks even in America shouldn’t be ideas so quickly and dismissed as a “moral panic”. I didn’t call for censorship. Their algorithms creates suggestions or highlight other people’s posts and they could easily be tweaked (and have been so in the past) to not easily spread clearly false and dangerous information. If you want to actively search for disinformation then fine, but when it is suggested to people who never showed initial interest in it because it garners emotive money making clicks, it is a super destructive force. Europe is in the process of regulating this and it is an entirely sensible thing to do, especially when these countries will have to pay for the consequences of more people getting sick and dying creating a huge strain on their health system and want to stop foreign election interference. It is super ridiculously stupid not to do so. Other media sources are regulated, there is no reason social media shouldn’t be. Freedom of speech has limits, even in the land of the first amendment.

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    #35464

    PopeBeanie
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    OOH-EE, I just discovered a new ringtone to edit!

    #35467

    PopeBeanie
    Moderator

    And how about spreading the word about Reason and Science much better in a way that appeals to a mass audience?

    I agree, and think the only way to survive will be to teach kids to think for themselves and be skeptical of authorities and cultural influences.

    As a species, we’re suddenly facing exponential growth, for better and for worse, in the powers of science and technology, virally communicated culture, political dominances, damages to environment, and so on, with a future that looks like continued increasing of more of the same. It has always seemed to many people that we’re doomed at the current stage of so-called civilization, but the exponential nature of cultural and Earth changes, imo, has to eventually become increasingly overwhelming in many ways.

    Still, I’m hearing Davis, and we have to keep doing the best we can, and sell the positive ideas to others who are paralyzed by the overwhelm. For example, while in the middle of this covid crisis, we need to take a bigger picture approach and realize that this is just a practice run for future pandemics. Preparation should be the keyword, now.

    #35476

    Jody Lee
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    I will be receiving my first dose of the vaccine tomorrow morning! ❤

    #35478

    Unseen
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    I will be receiving my first dose of the vaccine tomorrow morning! ❤

    Fantastic. Are you in the health care field?

    #35479

    jakelafort
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    Jody Lee, Jody Lee, that vaccine gonna set you free. West Virginia, here is my plea. Please set Jody Lee free.

    #35482

    Jody Lee
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    Good one Jody Lee! One of the hospitals I occasionally work in will start their rollout before the year end. I have “essential worker” status so hope to get it reasonably soon.

    #35484

    Jody Lee
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    We were one of 40 centers in the state to receive vaccinations this week. ❤

    #35485

    jakelafort
    Participant

    Jody, painful shot? Side effects?

    #35486

    Jody Lee
    Participant

    Not painful at all and no side effects yet!  We’ve vaccinated 38 staff and 35 residents so far with NO side effects. 🙂

    #35495

    Jody Lee
    Participant

    @unseen Yes, I work in a Skilled Nursing Facility. I’m ready for this shit to be over. We have been lucky with no outbreaks yet.

    @jake Your rhymes are the best. I have hope that the vaccine will eventually set us free. I wish sometimes WV would set me free. It’s a love/hate relationship.

    #35496

    Unseen
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    @unseen Yes, I work in a Skilled Nursing Facility. I’m ready for this shit to be over. We have been lucky with no outbreaks yet. @jake Your rhymes are the best. I have hope that the vaccine will eventually set us free. I wish sometimes WV would set me free. It’s a love/hate relationship.

    Toward the end of my dad’s life he spent about 3 months in a SNF and I had nothing but respect for his caregivers. And that was well before the pandemic.

    #35497

    Jody Lee – was your arm cold afterwards?? I will get the Moderna vaccine instead of the Pfizer one. I think it will still be too cold for my arm at minus 20 Celsius but minus 70 Celsius is even colder than winter in Antarctica!! I read that on FB so it must be true.

     

    #35498

    jakelafort
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    Jody, i second Unseen’s sentiment. The caregivers at nursing homes have such difficult jobs. Have witnessed such amazing stoicism and care that made the difference at the toughest point in life. I am guessing administrators do not have a picnic lunch by the lake either.

    Have only driven through W. Virginia and it looks quite scenic so hopefully the landscape compensates for any deficits in other areas.

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