Consciousness

  • It was Jung who wrote about the Shadow Self.

    (Your much too Jung to be aFreud).

  • Freud said that part of the ego exists in the unconscious.  I think this is true, i.e., there is a part of consciousness that is “unconscious”, and part of the ego operates within it.

    What is the unconscious?  I think it contains things that are known to the mind but not to conscious awareness.  Those things might be dynamic manoeuvres like su…[Read more]

  • In fact, Freud might have said that the ego is that part of consciousness that looks after you in the short and long term.

  • What I find fascinating is the way that the pressure to thrive/survive/reproduce combines with consciousness to produe the ego – that “machine for looking after you”.

    If you think about it, the ego is constantly monitoring one’s environment, ferreting out opportunities and, especially, threats.

  • You could say we’re too clever for our own good.  It may be that consciousness – awareness, intelligence, language and moral guidance, among other things – are there to use for cooperating, and doing complex things, in a social world.

  • If we compare our probable survival duration to that of sharks or roaches I would venture to say that consciousness and frontal lobe development will prove to be a detriment to survival. In fact as self aware beings with wants and desires we have diminished ability to avoid changing the very environment we evolved to live in.

  • I think “consciousness” as hard as it is to define is probably a byproduct of frontal lobe evolution/development that has nothing to do with survival.

    I think that’s not completely incorrect. But I’d say that, at some point even back in the early evolution of consciousness, many new thoughts and new behaviors could be exp…[Read more]

  • I think “consciousness” as hard as it is to define is probably a byproduct of frontal lobe evolution/development that has nothing to do with survival.

    Conscious of what?  The real world.  This has to have something to do with evolution.  Consciousness gives a survival advantage.

  • The religious assertion that individual consciousness (usually defined as one’s “essence”) can survive brain death is simple completely detached from any real evidence or facts. I think “consciousness” as hard as it is to define is probably a byproduct of frontal lobe evolution/development that has nothing to do with survival.

  • […] Apologists also maintain that atheists have no objective standard of morality, but human well being is an objective criterion in my opinion.

    Having said that, I’m sure that atheist anti-theist arguments are full of straw men as well.

    Yeah, and speaking of human consciousness, we all have that cognitive bias toward s…[Read more]

  • I don’t think that members of a species cooperate with each other to propagate the species.

    Agreed. But it builds stronger bonds between cooperating individuals who will watch out for each other which in turn makes the overall society stronger.

    A strong and healthy silver fish is not as well adapted (or “fittest”) as a brown fish in a murky r…[Read more]

  • I’ve read Richard Dawkins in “The Extended Phenotype”, and he lists about 11 definitions of fitness.  I agree that “best adapted” makes one definition, but “strong and healthy” is another in my opinion, both leading to the same outcome – relatively more reproduction than one’s fellows.

    I don’t think that members of a species cooperate with each…[Read more]

  • When we speak of the “survival of the fittest” we should be clear what the term “fittest” means. It was never used by Darwin. Most theists and a good many atheists think it means the strongest or even the most aggressively competitive. But it would better read as “survival of the best adapted” (to their environment). This could mean the best ca…[Read more]

  • the original arguments that gods regulated our every thought 24/7

    I’m sure (but don’t know) that this is still the case.

    What bugs me is the straw men, particularly over morality.  Evolutionary explanations are dismissed on the grounds that evolution means “the survival of the fittest”.  This is true, but evolution also means “thriving of the f…[Read more]

  • The last arguments that apologists for religions stand with seem to be the scientific frontiers concerning abiogenesis, consciousness (NDE), objective morality, quantum mechanics and pre-big-bang suppositions. That is a far cry from the original arguments that gods regulated our every thought 24/7 (that lasted for hundreds of years). It is amazing…[Read more]

  • I think that someone with “access” to the “spirit world” or whatever gained power through this.  This power then enabled control of the group.

  • Early humans a little more intelligent than the others figured out they could easily control the group with superstition. Physical symbols only reinforce the case for nonsense, The history of religion is the history of control.

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    Development of Human Consciousness as We Know It

     

    Here’s a pretty good presentation from a PhD student, imo. She doesn’t go deep into religion, but it seems like a good start, and it’s relevant to our consciousness. (The audio’s a bit irritating at first, but improves later.)

    Genevieve Von Petzinger

  • PopeBeanie started the topic Group logo of ConsciousnessMental Maps in the forum Consciousness 1 week, 4 days ago

    The most obvious maps in our heads are for getting from here to there and back, and we also have varying aptitudes for finding shortcuts. Body maps (for pain, range of movement e.g. for arms and legs, and so on) are fundamentally necessary for survival, for all animals. Similar mapping paradigms seem to also be repurposed for other uses, even for…[Read more]

  • PopeBeanie replied to the topic Group logo of ConsciousnessBody Language in the forum Consciousness 1 month, 2 weeks ago

    The bulk of any language evolves and operates, if not on a full two-way street, at least with a transmitter and a comprehending receiver, e.g. in the case of a poisonous plant or animal advertising itself in a colorfully visual way and a predator’s evolved behavior to ignore it and/or keep its distance.  Or when two furry animals fluff up to…[Read more]

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