Consciousness

  • _Robert_ replied to the topic For Starters… in the forum Group logo of ConsciousnessConsciousness 4 months, 4 weeks ago

  • _Robert_ replied to the topic For Starters… in the forum Group logo of ConsciousnessConsciousness 4 months, 4 weeks ago

    I tend to gravitate to evolution as the prime driver for biological answers. With humans, I am not so sure these days. Have we even been subjected to natural selection for the past hundreds of thousands of years? Before laser surgery I was blind to anything beyond three feet away. Not a lot of near-sighted fish swimming around. The more socially…[Read more]

  • PopeBeanie replied to the topic For Starters… in the forum Group logo of ConsciousnessConsciousness 5 months ago

    I, too, think the author doesn’t have a complete understanding of his proposal(s), but as you point out Davis, the meta-conciousness construct is useful to consider when describing consciousness. I think we still need more depth in understanding various types of self-awareness, e.g. more than just being able to recognize ourselves in the mirror,…[Read more]

  • Davis replied to the topic For Starters… in the forum Group logo of ConsciousnessConsciousness 5 months ago

    Indeed Robert but the questions I’m talking about start with his question but then go beyond the authors argument and not limiting consciousness to the “experience, rerepresentation, cognitive realisations and evocation.

    I admire the guy and his interesting proposal. In any case, we shouldn’t take this article too too seriously. All writings on…[Read more]

  • _Robert_ replied to the topic For Starters… in the forum Group logo of ConsciousnessConsciousness 5 months ago

    Of course the possibility that a baby in the womb has some level of consciousness, no matter how underdeveloped…well; you know where I am going. The awareness component may not be there yet…that is the distinction the author seems to make.

  • Davis replied to the topic For Starters… in the forum Group logo of ConsciousnessConsciousness 5 months ago

    Great article. I particularly like his explanation of mistaking meta-consciousness with consciousness.

    When infants become conscious/meta-conscious (assuming they weren’t when born) is part of one of the annoying pesky questions about consciousness. If children aren’t born conscious then there must be a moment that they become conscious and d…[Read more]

  • Davis joined the group Group logo of ConsciousnessConsciousness 5 months ago

  • PopeBeanie replied to the topic For Starters… in the forum Group logo of ConsciousnessConsciousness 5 months ago

    Consciousness Goes Deeper Than You Think
    Awareness can be part of it, but it’s much more than that

    baby, getty stock image

    An article on the neuroscience of infant consciousness, which attracted some interest a few years ago, asked: “When does your baby become conscious?” The premise, of course, was that babies aren’t born conscious but, instead, develop conscio…[Read more]

  • _Robert_ posted an update in the group Group logo of ConsciousnessConsciousness 5 months ago

    Certain animals such as crows, elephants and chimps appear to be self aware and even understand something about death. Consciousness could have an evolutionary purpose for social animals…it could result in more cooperation and a better chance at survival. Through consciousness we have a conscience.

  • “Curation” Policy

    Sometimes I’ll want to edit, combine, re-arrange, and even index some posts so that this group is easier to search and navigate by members–especially new members.

    For example, comments and links that are posted in the Home (“updates”) section can become much more useful in a related Forum, especially before they scroll way off…[Read more]

  • PopeBeanie started the topic John Searle in the forum Group logo of ConsciousnessConsciousness 5 months ago

    A good place to post about John Searle, but this probably won’t be the only place he’s mentioned in our Consciousness group.

    (Some starter content here and here. I’m just waiting to hear back from Unseen.)

  • PopeBeanie posted an update in the group Group logo of ConsciousnessConsciousness 5 months ago

    “Curation” Policy Note: Sometimes I’ll want to edit, combine, re-arrange, and even index some posts so that this group is easier to search and navigate by members (especially new members). For example, comments and links that are posted in the Home (“updates”) section can become much more useful in a related Forum Topic.

  • PopeBeanie posted an update in the group Group logo of ConsciousnessConsciousness 5 months ago

    @Unseen would you mind if I copy the updates you’ve provided into a new Consciousness Forum topic I’d like to start named John Searle? (See the update to our Consciousness group description, which I’m not actually binding anyone to at this time.)

  • Unseen posted an update in the group Group logo of ConsciousnessConsciousness 5 months ago

    Two relevant discussions below by John Searle, who has a talent for speaking plainly in terms laypersons can understand.

  • Unseen posted an update in the group Group logo of ConsciousnessConsciousness 5 months ago

    • The best JS I’ve seen, so far, albeit I’ve found most of them enlightening. I like the foundaton it lays for scientific discussion. (Only 9 minutes long!)

  • Unseen posted an update in the group Group logo of ConsciousnessConsciousness 5 months ago

    • Oh wow…another youtube video by someone who confirms what you’ve already thought and a philosopher who hasn’t written anything moderately new on the topic in 30 years. Yeay!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Unseen joined the group Group logo of ConsciousnessConsciousness 5 months ago

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  • tom sarbeck posted an update in the group Group logo of ConsciousnessConsciousness 5 months ago

    Does consciousness have a use? (a USE, not a purpose.)
    An analogy: a hammer has a use, to drive nails. Without nails, would hammers exist? I think not, so I would start with Does consciousness has a use?

    • Does self-amusement count?

    • As I currently think of consciousness as an “emergent” character, I’m not sure how precisely to answer that, other than to say that ALL brain processes result from evolutionary tuning. How those processes together are “used” is most probably understood insofar as to how they enhance individual survivabilty, and species survivability, including…[Read more]

      • Any use that results in a being’s wanting to put the consciousness to that same use again would have evolutionary value.
        Does self-amusement count? Does it have a number system: 1, 2, 3, …, n?

        • Humor in general seems to be useful in a social environment. Maybe self-amusement stems from that and is useful just like an in-mind rehearsal before taking it public.

          Specifically, when it comes to laughter, it seems to be a way to communicate that one is thinking of or experiencing something that is expected to be “very interesting, if not fun”…[Read more]

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