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Sunday School March 17th 2024

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  • #53077

    TheEncogitationer
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    Unapologetic,

    I could be wrong, I think I remember that at one time PETA was offering a $ prize for someone to invent vat-grown meat. PETA is your current market.

    I had not thought of that possibility. It would be a chance for them to get some actual Vitamin B12 versus synthetic Vitamin B12 which is an analog of the real thing.

    But, of course, making synthetic Vitamin B12 requires contact with the source of the real thing and vat meat is still meat that requires extracting cells from actual meat, so the cognitive dissonance of the PETA mob is still there.

    I guess just don’t be there when their heads explode.
    😁

    #53078

    TheEncogitationer
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    Reg,

    Gary Larson’s anthropomorphisms were always great Sunday Morning comic strip entertainment, as were Looney Tunes’ anthropomorphisms on Saturday Morning! As I had shown earlier with Looney Tunes cartoons on Economics, they both can convey great truths.

    Nevertheless, in the real world, the target market for both are humans and, perhaps incidentally, whatever other sapient extraterrestrials may be watching us like them too. And the truths they convey can only be understood and used by rational beings.

    So that’s what becomes me the most.

    #53079

    TheEncogitationer
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    Jake,

    Much obliged on the reference to *Freethink! I had never seen this Web Site in my many browsings on Singularitarianism and Transhumanism. The beefy rice with built-in beef sounds tasty as well!

    More on the other post later. That is a ton of conflation and confabulation to unpack.

    #53080

    jakelafort
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    Enco,

    Conflation and confabulation to my consternation and indignation. Prove me wrong and i will belong to the bloodthirsty and the strong.

    As it is nobody beats the whiz. Make it fizz. Let logic ring through all the land. Rational man knows he can. We ain’t rational though…MAN!

    #53081

    Unseen
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    Plants see and hear and feel, too. There is no difference between plants and animals in that regard.

    There is nothing left to eat if one is totally logical about it.

    Plants

    #53082

    Unseen
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    Please get back to me when fake meat science can produce an artificial rack of baby back ribs or a lamb cutlet.

    #53083

    I completely stopped eating meat about 10 years ago as I had eaten very little in the previous four or five years. I have been 99% vegetarian since then. I am closing in on sixty and I had a medical checkup recently. The important numbers to know are your BMI, Blood Pressure and Total Cholesterol level. My current stats are 23.2, 117/76 and 4.7 mmol/L respectively. OK, maybe that is too much info but I want to put it out there as I am very happy with that and my doctor almost seemed happier. My prescription was to “keep doing what you are doing and continue to take one tablet a day” (statin/BP because ‘why not’?) Everyone should know these figures about themselves as high BP is a silent killer and the only symptom is a heart attack. Not just men, women too.

    When we discussed my diet, he said that almost all the vegetarians or vegans he sees have low cholesterol and no BP or weight issues (unless genetic so they take a BP tablet to lower it). “Would you ever think about going vegetarian yourself”? I stupidly asked. “I am all about following the evidence”, he replied and said he was vegetarian for over 20 years. Too much red meat is a killer, simple as that.

    I have only listed my health reasons for not eating meat but animal welfare is a big concern in the factory feeding, bulking agents and brutal slaughtering process that every one showed know about. You should also know about ultra processed foods too. It could extend your life by many healthy years.

    #53084

    Seriously – watch the video above.

    #53085

    jakelafort
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    Reg,

    Scrivener’s error as to your BP.

    Either that or get to the hospital NOW!

    #53086

    OH my bad!! HaHa!. 117, not 177.  Thanks Jake 🙂

     

    #53087

    TheEncogitationer
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    Reg,

    Blood Pressure and A1-C (which includes cholesterol, blood sugar, and enzyme levels) are very important, I fully agree. I aim, usually with success, to keep both readings in a normal range.

    However, BMI, as well as the means of measuring it, I am not yet sure about.

    Penn Gillette and Teller in their Showtime series Penn & Teller: Bullshit pointed out that the BMI was devised in the 19th Century, when almost everyone did lumberjack levels of physical labor, as well as were, on average, shorter in stature.

    Also, I have a scale that, when programmed with your height, age, and sex, will measure Overall Weight plus BMI, Muscle Weight, Body Fat Percentage, and Water Percentage, plus it gives a Daily Caloric Intake Goal.

    Yet when I step on it two times in a row, the Overall Weight will be the same, but everything else will be different.(???)

    Also, after my diagnosis with Rhabdomyolysis, my Doctors took me off of Statins entirely and put me on Amlodypine, which does great as well for me with no side effects. Your Miles May Vary.

    Chris van Tulleken doesn’t make a distinction between processing that is healthful and processing that is malnourishing. For instance, adding Vitamins A and D to milk is good, adding salt to everything, including sweets, whether Iodized or otherwise, not so much.

    Also not mentioned is that, if you want people to eat better, stop paying farmers subsidies to not grow or raise healthy things in order to support their prices, and stop paying consumers with “stimulus” checks and Electronic Benefits Transfer (EBT, once called Food Stamps) to eat junk food. No regulation or marketing bans are required to do that, just cut out the tax-funded gravy train.

    You’ll see produce growers putting out carrots and vinaigrette dressing or apple slices and peanut butter as impulse items in the checkout line where candy bars normally reside! You’ll also see more poor people eating chicken and celery soup and cinnamon oatmeal instead of lard and ramen packs! And when people endulged in junk, at least they’d have to work for it!

    No bad side to any of that, I say.

    #53104

    Unseen
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    I buy into the argument that vegans kill animals through opening up wild land to agriculture to grow all the additional vegetables.

    I’m aware of the counterarguments, many of which would work if something very unlikely were to happen: everyone becoming vegan.

    Instead, we’d have vegans causing the destruction of wild land which would involve killing millions upon millions of small mammals that hawks and coyotes and foxes and badgers depend on for food and quite likely fostering some extinctions along the way not to mention endangering others.

    The vegan solution is like vaccination, which only works well if almost everyone joins in.

    More likely, the vegans would coexist with the omnivore humans and so the vast prairielands would continue to be home to herds of cattle, large pastures would still contain milk cows, sheep, and goats along with whatever they call the pens where commercial hogs grow up.

    So, barring almost everyone becoming vegan, the growth of veganism would be an environmental disaster.

    #53157

    @theencogitationer

    Blood Pressure and A1-C (which includes cholesterol, blood sugar, and enzyme levels) are very important, I fully agree. I aim, usually with success, to keep both readings in a normal range.

    However, BMI, as well as the means of measuring it, I am not yet sure about.

    I fully accept the not too scientific nature of the BMI. But it is, in general, a reasonable indicator of overall health.

    I am a firm believer in the use of data to make progress.  If we know our BP, AC-1, weight, etc then we can proactively manage our own health.  Its about taking personal responsibility for it.

    I know that many men (and women to a lesser extent) have no idea of what their BP or cholesterol figures are.

    In Ireland men are only starting to talk to each other about health matters. This is down to macho BS attitudes and men being ‘proud’ of the fact that they never went to a doctor. Even the ones that looked like beached whales and smoked unfiltered cigarettes. In the USA the attitude is much different (better). Five male strangers could meet in a Publix  lime pie queue and ask each other “what medicines are you on” in order to gain info and share knowledge and experience.

    If you measure it, it gets done.

    #53159

    jakelafort
    Participant

    I remember that key lime pie from Publix.

    My oh my that key lime pie twice as yummy as shoe fly pie.

    #53163

    Unseen
    Participant

    @ Jake

    I checked and there’s no such thing as a “shoe fly,” but if there was, I think I’d decline to have a slice.

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