Atheist Zone | Brightsky | Activity https://atheistzone.com/members/clearsky/activity/ Activity feed for Brightsky. Thu, 16 Apr 2026 05:08:23 +0000 https://buddypress.org/?v= en-US 30 hourly 2 1821c200f6c34d9ed40b5a87d625e121 Brightsky replied to the topic What is [interpersonal] moral legitimacy, and do we need it? in the forum Science https://atheistzone.com/forums/topic/what-is-interpersonal-moral-legitimacy-and-do-we-need-it/page/5/#post-11007 Mon, 20 Aug 2018 17:38:14 +0000 Really Good points from unseen & Simon Payton.

Even public intellectuals like Sam Harris in his book ” the moral landscape” could not  appreciate this concept. As he tried to argue for a scientific facts based (as you say) proofs to these types of moral questions. Which I don’t think is possible. In the way that you can find say proofs for examp…[Read more]

]]> f160befd11a238643c78091ee901adcb Brightsky replied to the topic What is [interpersonal] moral legitimacy, and do we need it? in the forum Science https://atheistzone.com/forums/topic/what-is-interpersonal-moral-legitimacy-and-do-we-need-it/page/5/#post-10998 Sun, 19 Aug 2018 21:28:18 +0000

  • Thanks Davis for your detailed and interesting reply.

  • If you get more stuff let the people on this topic know so we can hopefully discuss it.
    • ]]>         8d29a1589af3f1f961f37331ab8aee74 Brightsky replied to the topic What is [interpersonal] moral legitimacy, and do we need it? in the forum Science https://atheistzone.com/forums/topic/what-is-interpersonal-moral-legitimacy-and-do-we-need-it/page/4/#post-10978 Sun, 19 Aug 2018 09:28:50 +0000 I have read that are a variety of approaches in deontology.

    Ranging from a Kantian absolutist one to more moderate approaches.
    For example Kant famously wrote this.

    Better the whole people should perish,” than that injustice be done (Metaphysics of Morals Kant 1780)

    Injustice= breaking a categorical imperative.

    Absolutist conceptions of de…[Read more]

    ]]>         0ef3fa6eeb6bf30bbc07a7a9e178cd72 Brightsky replied to the topic What is [interpersonal] moral legitimacy, and do we need it? in the forum Science https://atheistzone.com/forums/topic/what-is-interpersonal-moral-legitimacy-and-do-we-need-it/page/4/#post-10966 Sat, 18 Aug 2018 21:08:20 +0000 OK thanks Reg I will have a look to see if its on Kindle!

    ]]>         42520f0f8238adda7bafad8f93fb9a73 Brightsky replied to the topic What is [interpersonal] moral legitimacy, and do we need it? in the forum Science https://atheistzone.com/forums/topic/what-is-interpersonal-moral-legitimacy-and-do-we-need-it/page/4/#post-10962 Sat, 18 Aug 2018 20:30:16 +0000 Yep Simon I agree with what you say completely.

    However there is some scientific evidence which shows that countries who try to use egalitarian social policies have better social outcomes.

    One book I read which tries to demonstrate this is ” The Spirit Level” which you may have already…[Read more]

    ]]>         b21a73e1a926311a9d071700816115e7 Brightsky replied to the topic What is [interpersonal] moral legitimacy, and do we need it? in the forum Science https://atheistzone.com/forums/topic/what-is-interpersonal-moral-legitimacy-and-do-we-need-it/page/4/#post-10955 Sat, 18 Aug 2018 17:35:43 +0000 Veil of ignorance thought experiment by John Rawls.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veil_of_ignorance?wprov=sfla1

    Maybe another Intuition pump for atheist to arrive at ethical answers?

    I don’t think it the same as utilitarianism

    ]]>         6c95a4ca007fd8230f7b699b70f1bd85 Brightsky replied to the topic What is [interpersonal] moral legitimacy, and do we need it? in the forum Science https://atheistzone.com/forums/topic/what-is-interpersonal-moral-legitimacy-and-do-we-need-it/page/4/#post-10948 Sat, 18 Aug 2018 12:36:32 +0000 Yep Simon I agree it would be interesting but, to be honest I am not familiar with the subject of justice and legal theory. But from my little knowledge its pretty abstract & for me complicated!

    I was mainly concerned as to how one on a pragmatic level how ordinary people like myself work out ethical problems in everyday life.  Which I think you…[Read more]

    ]]>         fae66f28e05d3b73f996b63f2b9b939b Brightsky replied to the topic What is [interpersonal] moral legitimacy, and do we need it? in the forum Science https://atheistzone.com/forums/topic/what-is-interpersonal-moral-legitimacy-and-do-we-need-it/page/3/#post-10945 Sat, 18 Aug 2018 10:43:47 +0000 1) The first comment, sounds to me like what people do in real life situations. When they face a dilemma when two ethical principles clash. In that one tries to see which is more important.

    I read something called a reflective equilibrium process Prof John Rawls uses this process to arrive at principles of Justice.

    Another person Norman D…[Read more]

    ]]>         3bc1c433786b524d064007f6c1b4270f Brightsky replied to the topic What is [interpersonal] moral legitimacy, and do we need it? in the forum Science https://atheistzone.com/forums/topic/what-is-interpersonal-moral-legitimacy-and-do-we-need-it/page/3/#post-10914 Thu, 16 Aug 2018 17:04:30 +0000 Good ideas and comments here!

    ]]>         a4e6441d8c870de5eef6f51f03bc1a57 Brightsky replied to the topic What is [interpersonal] moral legitimacy, and do we need it? in the forum Science https://atheistzone.com/forums/topic/what-is-interpersonal-moral-legitimacy-and-do-we-need-it/page/3/#post-10910 Thu, 16 Aug 2018 08:23:33 +0000 In my thinking there will be weakness in all the normative ethical frameworks. In my opinion it does not mean that they are complete failures.

    One person in the comments gives examples is stealing.

    It reminds me of Prof Kohlberg writings!

    There is an interesting thought experiment which people may know already.

    Related to the comments above…[Read more]

    ]]>         252fd76e08ed618b8109a9115456aefb Brightsky replied to the topic What is [interpersonal] moral legitimacy, and do we need it? in the forum Science https://atheistzone.com/forums/topic/what-is-interpersonal-moral-legitimacy-and-do-we-need-it/page/3/#post-10902 Wed, 15 Aug 2018 21:37:39 +0000 universalizability principle,

    Act only according to that maxim whereby you can, at the same time, will that it should become a universal law.

    In my opinion is one important aspect where it is very different to the ” Golden rule”

    ]]>         936fd85e7a8b0d3faff93445028aa9b1 Brightsky replied to the topic What is [interpersonal] moral legitimacy, and do we need it? in the forum Science https://atheistzone.com/forums/topic/what-is-interpersonal-moral-legitimacy-and-do-we-need-it/page/2/#post-10893 Wed, 15 Aug 2018 15:59:56 +0000 OK there is some good points about the difficulty of finding ” universal moral values ”

    With good examples, about values being in the realm of personal subjective opinion. Which I think is true.

    Maybe ” universal ” is not the correct term.

    I used that word as I was thinking about The Universal Declaration of Human Rights (UDHR).

    Are these…[Read more]

    ]]>         42e8bde3762478c0e9c6a5ae13f2bff8 Brightsky replied to the topic What is [interpersonal] moral legitimacy, and do we need it? in the forum Science https://atheistzone.com/forums/topic/what-is-interpersonal-moral-legitimacy-and-do-we-need-it/page/2/#post-10889 Wed, 15 Aug 2018 12:10:48 +0000 I read the comments from different people above there’s a lot of good and valid opinions there.

    You mention the ” Golden Rule” what’s your opinion on that compared to ” the categorical imperative ”

    Do you think its possible using purely rational methods to arrive at universal moral principles?

    Instead of relying on religious moral precepts?

    Is…[Read more]

    ]]>         726ff1a5f566a7ed18ae9729168a01e4 Brightsky replied to the topic What is [interpersonal] moral legitimacy, and do we need it? in the forum Science https://atheistzone.com/forums/topic/what-is-interpersonal-moral-legitimacy-and-do-we-need-it/page/2/#post-10882 Tue, 14 Aug 2018 22:49:41 +0000 I agree with all the statements above. It is very difficult maybe almost impossible. But I was thinking in terms of applied ethics.

    What does one do in real life situations. Which I agree its difficult or maybe impossible! To logically arrive at the “right” values based answers?

    But some how ordinary everyday people ( atheist or believers) I…[Read more]

    ]]>         59fe75aadb76b4172f06026f9596b828 Brightsky replied to the topic What is [interpersonal] moral legitimacy, and do we need it? in the forum Science https://atheistzone.com/forums/topic/what-is-interpersonal-moral-legitimacy-and-do-we-need-it/page/2/#post-10874 Tue, 14 Aug 2018 21:51:55 +0000
  • Agree, what does a person do when one has conflicting Kantian duties? You know to tell the truth, but also to preserve life! ( axe murder example who is looking for a victim).
  • Do you think it would be possible to understand the main normative ethical frameworks and use a combination of all 3 to arrive at a sensible and practical solution. For…

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    ]]>         982cc50847a1ea2f66bc1965d2c04fe4 Brightsky replied to the topic When Life Became Sentient in the forum Small Talk https://atheistzone.com/forums/topic/when-life-became-sentient/page/4/#post-10870 Tue, 14 Aug 2018 20:10:58 +0000 Really interesting discussion here, enjoying all the input from both sides.

    1. One thing I would like to ask Mr Earl Sanborn is how do the people who believe in God explain the problem of evil in the world.
    2. Both evil caused by man and also natural disasters?
    3. I’ve done some basic reading on it like some of Alvin Plantinga stuff,
    4. And Peter…

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    ]]>         51b2ab2309b290db2dde772489386c8b Brightsky replied to the topic What is [interpersonal] moral legitimacy, and do we need it? in the forum Science https://atheistzone.com/forums/topic/what-is-interpersonal-moral-legitimacy-and-do-we-need-it/page/2/#post-10864 Tue, 14 Aug 2018 11:07:49 +0000

    ]]>         e005e6875786b2ca820cb29b4be3ff96 Brightsky replied to the topic When Life Became Sentient in the forum Small Talk https://atheistzone.com/forums/topic/when-life-became-sentient/page/3/#post-10859 Tue, 14 Aug 2018 08:20:51 +0000
  • Thanks for very interesting comments from everyone. I saw this TED talk which you guys may find interesting!

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    •  https://youtu.be/oYp5XuGYqqY
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