Davis

I don’t think its the best way to look at things. I think the failure should be placed inversely. There has been so much lingering doubt by so many Christians all peppered throughout  religious history. The insane amount of literary and philosophical works (and trickery) to justify God’s even existence again and again, and why a word-for-word ap…[Read more]

Simon Paynton wrote:

There are reasons why people choose or value certain values. Most people value cooperative thriving. Adolf Hitler, or Isis, value(d) wholesale murder. Both sets of values are chosen for different reasons.

You’re doing it again Simon. When you say most people you really mean “within a family unit or close community” and you’re…[Read more]

Simon Paynton wrote:

Davis wrote:

some values are obviously derrived from facts.

And this is an arbitrary assumption: other values could equally have been derived from those facts.

No. That’s totally false. In some moral systems there is a logical answer to many moral problems, especially in deontological ones and consequentialism. If the…[Read more]

Simon Paynton wrote:

If we say that the values derived from facts are “obvious”, then we are already assuming values.

Sorry Simon but you are mixing up two different things. First the axioms that ground a moral system. These are incredibly subjective and while someone may put some rational thought into it…they all remain statements which are…[Read more]

Unseen wrote:

Values cannot be derived from sets of facts.

Of course they can. Values have always come from a hybrid of assumed axioms (highly conceptual moral frameworks and/or dictated norms) along with facts. The first is almost but not entirely exclusive of facts) the second can use facts to various degrees and various use of logic). The…[Read more]

Simon Paynton wrote:

It’s a human instinct to wish to treat others ethically,

Then why are most of of tribesmen in the interior of Brazil, remote Africa and Papua New Guinea agressive if not violent to all outsiders who enter their territory…including unarmed women and children? Perhaps you mean treat those within their family unit, perhaps wit…[Read more]

Theoretical rights aren’t irrelevant. Activists in countries without human rights still use a template to fight for them (even if they never arrive). Frequently activists in developing countries aspire (and sometimes citizens) towards a set of high level human rights which could only be realised in one’s fantasies and yet some are. It’s a case of…[Read more]

_Robert_ wrote:

And if my clueless democratic party equates every allegation with automatic guilt we are done for and liberals should hang our heads in shame

Oh God not you too. First of all per your claim that women go for assholes, and by the way that is a ludicrous argument usually made by misogynistic pick up artists…where is your evidence…[Read more]

Asianne wrote:

I think we need to stop this idea that “men are all assholes and women are all victims” because it’s creating a huge divide between men and women.

Jesus Christ who let this cliché mysogenist onto our website? Asianne you perfectly typify the “men are the victim” stereotype. Just spot on. When women fight back…it’s the oh no…po…[Read more]

Simon Paynton wrote:

Davis wrote:

usefulness and the history of belief

All I’m saying is, the Flying Spaghetti Monster is not a good analogy because it bears no relation to everyday life, whereas the God of Christianity and Islam is intimately connected with everyday life. So, we cannot compare the two.

Any my response is that it is nonsense, a…[Read more]

Asianne wrote:

All these rich bitches complaining is making it more dangerous for those of us who have serious shit happening and now we really have nowhere to turn

Are you trying to say that the experience of rich women who were sexually assaulted is more trivial than poor women who were sexually assaulted? Are you proposing that rich women who…[Read more]

Women have been ignored, not believed or punished for being the victim of abuse, in numbers most of us wouldn’t possibly believe were true if it weren’t for witnesses and the sheer number of people who can attest to a persons sexual sleaziness and assault. A movement has started to stop avoiding the police who often ignore you, fear not the crowd…[Read more]

Simon Paynton wrote:

Has the Flying Spaghetti Monster caused a book with genuine wisdom in it, to be written? Does the Flying Spaghetti Monster help people in their everyday lives?

Would you please stop appealing to usefulness and the history of belief of something as somehow relevant to the existance of Gods?. As many of us have been over this…[Read more]

Simon you are failing to distinguish between two things. One being the ability to have absolute certainty. The other one being default skepticism vs. Cultural-motional-conditioning. In no system ever used could you prove anything absolutely is as you say so. Its an annoying yet true thing. We don’t and so at cannot know everything. A tiny sliver…[Read more]