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    mike
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    Amen to that Mr. Simon Paynton…I like your way of thinking….
    I think the ideas you put forth might be explained by the nature of consciousness…

    equating it with free will:
    Consciousness is expressed by our biology at different levels. Have you ever noticed that the internal conversation has a loud voice, and an unheard voice? The unheard voice is where we have no free will: we tell our heart to beat, or our lungs to expand and take a breath. We call it the autonomic nervous system. We don’t hear the thought that directs, “beat now”, but as we move up levels of thought or consciousness, the inner voice gets louder. It is expressed, at one level, as that tiny voice in the recesses of our mind we call a conscience: also without free will. But then the level of consciousness becomes louder and louder, until we are speaking out loud. When we speak out loud we are exercising undeniable free will.
    We can demonstrate exercising free will over deep levels of autonomic control mechanisms: by consciously taking control of breathing. Normally part of the autonomic nervous system; we may at any time say “I have control” and breath deep or shallow we wish. It is said deep meditator’s exercise a larger degree of control over lower levels of consciousness. Experiments have demonstrated their ability to lower heart rate on command or alter pain receptors.
    So some bodily functions exercise free will while others do not. When I say to my self “Ok its time to get up”… (I just slept through a rem bout: a state of consciousness we call “sleep”, entirely against my free will)…but then I think to myself, I’ll just stay in bed for one more minute; I can say that as a thought, just below the level of “out loud”, or I can actually say it out loud. Its not predetermined by my biology, it is a conscious decision to act and therefore free will. Then, for that minute I lay in bed, a thought that verges on free will flits through my brain. I hear a quiet voice reprimand: the brief inner voice says “lazy”. At a lower level, I acknowledge a pain in my back. I roll over, without free will. I then consciously will myself out of bed.
    …although all bodily functions, are at some level, expression of consciousness… some conclusions can be drawn from this proposition.
    1. In this regard a fly changing its direction is a level of consciousness, and a nematode moving toward the light is also a level, but just at a lower level.
    2. That allows you to think of all organisms, even bacteria, as conscious to some degree.
    3. And most importantly: If you were to list the levels (or maybe a better word would be “degrees”) of consciousness across species our lowest level would equal a bacterium’s highest level and therefore shows an evolutionary developmental correlation.
    Imagine the idea of a hierarchy of conscious expressions: some of our own free will, and some autonomic. This is the nature of free will and it is expressed by biological organisms as hierarchical states of consciousness.

    Conclusion…we have the ability, for our conscious mind, to influence our autonomic nervous system…take control through meditation?

    #5881

    mike
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    Atheist are just willing to accept the nature of the universe. The Laws of Physics dictate reality and not our hallucinations or wishful thinking; resurrection or re-animation, unassisted flight (ascension), reincarnation, virgin birth, a personal God…these are things of delusion; of make-believe…

    Ideas approaching a greater understanding of what is reality are given to us by science. For instance; the idea that many of my atoms were created in primitive suns, billions of years ago…that one day they will go back to the universe, to be reconfigured into another celestial body and maybe another life form…now that is cool…

    #5878

    mike
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    I wrote that as my exorcism after our families thanksgiving get-together; where my niece handed out Bible verses for everyone to read after dinner… I read mine like a champ (chump) and then needed to expel my demons…
    It came directly from my bible studies (know thy enemy) :/

    #5874

    mike
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    … engaging the frontal cortex (thinking logically) reduces anxiety. Perhaps this is to do with how picking up factual information reduces ignorance of the unknown.

    I would agree with that. I would add that thinking illogically also reduces anxiety: blind faith serves the same purpose. Unfortunately, disinformation and maintaining ones ignorance of the unknown is a comfort to many.

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    #5873

    mike
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    Do you think that human primates are/were any more alert to danger than other species of animals?

    We had a common ancestor: a cousin that survived because of that trait…my guess is that this organism might have looked fish-like before it had the amount of neurons necessary to make cognitive predictions. I would bet that the trait developed well before our ancestor was a land dwelling organism. Don’t forget…
    How long have humans existed on the Earth?
    Take away the semantic designator “species”, and humans are part of a living continuum, which started about four billion years ago. Humans share common ancestry with every organism to have ever lived on planet Earth. Humans are direct descendants from the “last universal ancestor”: by definition, this is the most recent organism from which all organisms now living on Earth have a common descent. It was not just some simple unicellular organism from which we descended. Similar to the first cell that replicates to eventually form a human baby, this simple four-billion-year old unicellular organism is the human organism in its least complex state: which we call “The Primary Organism”.

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