Gregg R Thomas

Unseen wrote:

@ Simon and Robert One can belong to various groups almost without limit and often with incompatible or conflicting interests. One might work for Willie’s Widgets and own Willie’s Widget’s stock as a retirement investment. So, joining in a strike for higher wages for oneself and one’s fellow union members (yet another group) could a…

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Since there’s no way to get rid of groups, since only groups can cooperate (internally) – there’s no way, in this competitive world, to get rid of in-group bias and out-group antipathy.  The only thing we can do is be aware of it and how it works, and then maybe it can be overcome to some extent.

A group that evolve dynamically and for the benefi…[Read more]

@ Simon and Robert

One can belong to various groups almost without limit and often with incompatible or conflicting interests. One might work for Willie’s Widgets and own Willie’s Widget’s stock as a retirement investment. So, joining in a strike for higher wages for oneself and one’s fellow union members (yet another group) could adversely…[Read more]

Simon Paynton wrote:

Unseen wrote:

Set being a useful term because a mathematical set can have just one member—or even no members, a null set.

That’s the difference. A collaborative group must have at least two members (a partnership, team, etc.).

Okay, but I asked a question which wasn’t I guess, worth answering when one might split lin…[Read more]

Reg the Fronkey Farmer wrote:

Favoring those within one’s own group lead to more cohesive and cooperative units, enhancing group survival against external threats. It allowed us to protect our territory and resources and build up trust between members as we watched out for each other. This trust relationship is likely where our ethical behavior a…

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Unseen wrote:

What is the logic of in-group bias? When the most basic group (in mathematical terms, a set*) is the self, it’s hard to distinguish it from simple narcissism. Expand the set to one’s group (however defined, which is a problem: family? neighborhood? village? territory? nation-state? humankind?) and you have to decide to what ext…

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Unseen wrote:

Set being a useful term because a mathematical set can have just one member—or even no members, a null set.

That’s the difference.  A collaborative group must have at least two members (a partnership, team, etc.).

What is the logic of in-group bias? When the most basic group (in mathematical terms, a set*) is the self, it’s hard to distinguish it from simple narcissism.

Expand the set to one’s group (however defined, which is a problem: family? neighborhood? village? territory? nation-state? humankind?) and you have to decide to what extent do you have to…[Read more]

Is-lame is weaponized religion. Not A weaponized religion as if it already existed. It was created by a warlord and followers to be used as a weapon to conquer a people. It IS a weapon first.
‘Join or die’ was always part of the dogma. Sure, most muslims are peaceful. Have forgotten or ignore that part of it. But the leadership is still out to…[Read more]

@jakelafort – A very good smartphone would tell you that O’Brien and Dettori score a treble tonight with Greenfinch, Mountain Bear and Chief Little Rock.

This is a fault in human nature – our in-group bias.

I agree but I think there is a bigger picture to look at here. In-group bias evolved as a survival mechanism. Favoring those within one’s own group lead to more cohesive and cooperative units, enhancing group survival against external threats. It allowed us to protect our territory and r…[Read more]

Following is a link to story about a Bedouin Muslim Israeli who had the integrity and bravery to do the right thing. Incredibly heroic and ballsy.

https://www.jpost.com/israel-hamas-war/article-819071

Simon Paynton wrote:

_Robert_ wrote:

I asked him why he cheated. He looked me right in the eye and said it is not considered cheating because this is a college of infidels.

This is a fault in human nature – our in-group bias. Morality is a group-wide thing and no further (for highly parochial groups). Therefore: 1) other groups’ morals are inv…

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jakelafort wrote:

I assume that is why so many Muslim are rapists of Whites in Europe. Women are property and have less value than men and when women are not even Muslims they are fare game.

Yes, this is the excuse given by the Muslim “rape gangs” who exploit young girls in the UK.  (Other rape gangs are available – the phenomenon is not…[Read more]

_Robert_ wrote:

I asked him why he cheated. He looked me right in the eye and said it is not considered cheating because this is a college of infidels.

This is a fault in human nature – our in-group bias.  Morality is a group-wide thing and no further (for highly parochial groups).  Therefore: 1) other groups’ morals are invalid; 2) people in o…[Read more]

The gay dentist made me think of a friend of mine who unfortunately died. Was a gay/atheist dentist from bible belt born into a sickeningly Christian family. So he told me he was more afraid to tell him mom he was an atheist than that he was gay. But neither revelation was pleasant.

Reg, that was a good anecdote.

I know a male dentist in Ireland who saw a patient from Saudi for a wisdom tooth extraction. After the procedure the patient left his sister in the waiting room and said he would be back in 30 minutes as he wanted to get his prescription from the pharmacy. He only left her “alone” as the other 2 patients and the receptionists were female. It tra…[Read more]

I assume that is why so many Muslim are rapists of Whites in Europe. Women are property and have less value than men and when women are not even Muslims they are fare game. Of course the constant covering of women in freakish costumes that conceal so much skin makes prurient interests manifest.

Ya know when ya think about it the dehumanization…[Read more]