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Okay Davis i got a good chuckle based on your account of Trump’s inner world. I am guessing he is either experiencing immense inner turmoil or he is without a conscience and on the golf course making birdies or having sex with unsuspecting women in a sea of alternating fantasy and life awareness void of metacognition but swoon swept by power lust…[Read more]

Davis if i were to make a joke then using your criteria Earle and Trump are incapable of internalizing pain.

Davis i don’t think there is a litmus test to answer those questions.  And it is not surprising to me that neurosurgeons and philosophers of mind are hesitant to claim animals internalize pain. I was struck reading Jane Goodall when she related how she was received by the scientific community after her field studies of chimps revealed so much…[Read more]

Once again some of you at Atheist Zone have endless patience with a theist who is so damn dishonest.

Davis, i think you assume way too much in the way you separate us from other animals.  You say only we have internalized pain, self awareness, express it to others and ponder our existence.  I would guess at a minimum whales, elephants and other primates are included in those criteria.  I bet ethologists would concur at a rate over fifty pe…[Read more]

Of course it is child abuse; but so is any kind of serious religious indoctrination that occurs prior to age of reason.

It is literally a MINDFUCK…a fuck that keeps giving and giving and taking away what might otherwise emerge.

Okay Pope, but it is axiomatic.

I guess it is not a big deal.

Tom i know you are a male…Tom gives that away…I know you are an atheist…the site gives that away….but if you think i was calling you a swami for realzies your acumen is lacking and you ought to look for a different profession.

Tom, who appointed you swami?

Yeah, like love and marriage (space and time) ya can’t have one without the other.  Yes, the information is preserved.  Yes, expansion is or may be relevant to understanding entanglement.

But if we have allowed for or adjusted for time space so that the two photons are one light yr apart and yet they dance together how can we explain i…[Read more]

Strega, i still think it is weird for atheists to say the universe does not care.

As to your statement i agree.  Or do I?  Really not sure. Perhaps other sentient life has a similar abstraction .  But you are not addressing the nature of reality .  Is the cosmos only possible if it is imbued with mathematics, if mathematics explains it?

My pos…[Read more]

Thanks for link to article Reg.

That is a cool attempt to explain it but lets say two photons are entangled from one light year away and they are communicating simultaneously is the information about position retrievable  because our understanding of time is incomplete?

Simon i never said that without a human observer mathematics is absent.  I said the opposite.

Strega, i dont get why you and others have said the universe does not care.  A rock or bottle of gatorade does not care either.  An entity must be sentient before it can care, no?

I don’t get either the position that math and physics is an artificial construct.  Instead it is there and will be there with or without our appreciation of it.  Sur…[Read more]

I think what Pope says about bird song is also true of whale’s some of whom sing for days on end.

Not sure how it plays into the issue(s) but there are synesthetes who have consistent associations with particular numbers.