Atheist Zone | Karuna | Activity https://atheistzone.com/members/karuna/activity/ Activity feed for Karuna. Fri, 19 Jun 2026 23:50:46 +0000 https://buddypress.org/?v= en-US 30 hourly 2 cdaec09e358fc56313d3242dfc9bb6fa Karuna replied to the topic Why We Can't Resolve Ethical Arguments in the forum Small Talk https://atheistzone.com/forums/topic/why-we-cant-resolve-ethical-arguments/#post-33224 Wed, 16 Sep 2020 18:49:40 +0000 David Hume said something about Facts and Values.

 

]]> 662faea681f4e0e8c386d956df599aa1 Karuna replied to the topic Rats or Roaches or...? in the forum Science https://atheistzone.com/forums/topic/rats-or-roaches-or/page/2/#post-32202 Fri, 10 Jul 2020 13:31:11 +0000 https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/morality-biology/natural-teleology-ethics.html

]]> 06ff83299e79eefe644963d43066872c Karuna replied to the topic Pastor vs Pastor in the forum Theism https://atheistzone.com/forums/topic/pastor-vs-pastor/page/2/#post-32087 Fri, 03 Jul 2020 23:57:18 +0000 Guess it’s about trying to figure out some basic stuff we all want to have answers to,?

Like why there is natural evil in the world, even if there is a free will defence by Alvin Plantiga.

Why do innocents suffer?

In the old testament in the book of Job.

theodicy has some good explanation, but so has Jung

In “Answer to Job”

 

Or even…[Read more]

]]> 057026a934d9852feecf44e8111d79d7 Karuna replied to the topic Pastor vs Pastor in the forum Theism https://atheistzone.com/forums/topic/pastor-vs-pastor/page/2/#post-32083 Fri, 03 Jul 2020 22:52:20 +0000 God is dead. God remains dead. And we have killed him. How shall we comfort ourselves, the murderers of all murderers? What was holiest and mightiest of all that the world has yet owned has bled to death under our knives: who will wipe this blood off us? What water is there for us to clean ourselves? What festivals of atonement, what sacred games…[Read more]

]]> bef02b0264ce9049189b13594ebf57c2 Karuna replied to the topic Confederate Symbols in the forum Politics https://atheistzone.com/forums/topic/confederate-symbols/page/7/#post-32069 Fri, 03 Jul 2020 14:15:23 +0000 Maybe Simon Payton it might go like this.

Cooperation as a fitness for obligate cooperators in Hunter gatherer group. As a survival mechanism. From cooperation primitive fairness develops likely through instincts. Joint attention joint goals.

Increasing numbers in those groups and competition between groups also primitive division of labour in…[Read more]

]]> abae0383159f57e374726e643da384c9 Karuna replied to the topic Confederate Symbols in the forum Politics https://atheistzone.com/forums/topic/confederate-symbols/page/6/#post-32055 Thu, 02 Jul 2020 21:51:41 +0000 Cultural Evolution = Social Justice=Justice as fairness

]]> 5286f94d189fe2ce62d8046538bcf0aa Karuna replied to the topic Pretty much sums up the frustration of modern academics in the forum Humanism https://atheistzone.com/groups/humanism/forum/topic/pretty-much-sums-up-the-frustration-of-modern-academics/page/12/#post-31900 Fri, 19 Jun 2020 07:12:36 +0000 Hi,

Simon Payton,

The book by Michael Tomasello you refer to.

The same author has written a summary of his findings. In this short free access article.

It maybe helpful for people on this discussion to read it.

Maybe it might make your arguments more clear?

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/09515089.2018.1486605

The book you…[Read more]

]]> a0391378e786c4c1bc5bbf0c85e6632e Karuna replied to the topic Pretty much sums up the frustration of modern academics in the forum Humanism https://atheistzone.com/groups/humanism/forum/topic/pretty-much-sums-up-the-frustration-of-modern-academics/page/12/#post-31896 Thu, 18 Jun 2020 23:08:35 +0000 I read, about it when you attack the person instead of the person’s argument.

I think it’s called argumentum ad hominem,

That’s what poor politicians do not what you do in moral philosophy.

Anyway Michael Tomasello’s life work is  evolutionary anthropology.

His book which Simon Payton is describing a natural history of human morality.

It’s…[Read more]

]]> 93b4d9829483bcf36422389cc3bf1e2f Karuna replied to the topic Pretty much sums up the frustration of modern academics in the forum Humanism https://atheistzone.com/groups/humanism/forum/topic/pretty-much-sums-up-the-frustration-of-modern-academics/page/12/#post-31886 Thu, 18 Jun 2020 11:00:25 +0000 In summary of this discussion? pretty much sums up the frustration of modern atheists!

]]> 88dfd03b9e0491a95a09d88e0de90499 Karuna replied to the topic Pretty much sums up the frustration of modern academics in the forum Humanism https://atheistzone.com/groups/humanism/forum/topic/pretty-much-sums-up-the-frustration-of-modern-academics/page/11/#post-31872 Wed, 17 Jun 2020 20:16:13 +0000 In my opinion

Appeal to Nature is an argument and informal fallacy where something is believed to be good because it is natural, or bad because it is unnatural.

Evolution and biology  are non-moral.

( It’s not in the same category as morals)

It’s a category mistake to equate the two.

In this current universe cooperation in humans  exist b…[Read more]

]]> bb9a3f68ad53ececb593ad7ff0a9bd21 Karuna replied to the topic Pretty much sums up the frustration of modern academics in the forum Humanism https://atheistzone.com/groups/humanism/forum/topic/pretty-much-sums-up-the-frustration-of-modern-academics/page/10/#post-31856 Wed, 17 Jun 2020 09:10:08 +0000 I think Simon you are using the correspondence theory of truth. In a basic way it means what you believe is true can be proven by finding out the corresponding empirical fact in the world.

For example if you think that the Pyramids are in Egypt. Then if you go there and see them then what you believe corresponds to truth.

However there are…[Read more]

]]> d311c494d255b2fe54bf72543ba91453 Karuna replied to the topic Pretty much sums up the frustration of modern academics in the forum Humanism https://atheistzone.com/groups/humanism/forum/topic/pretty-much-sums-up-the-frustration-of-modern-academics/page/9/#post-31823 Mon, 15 Jun 2020 12:37:10 +0000 You could say that It’s useful to have morality. Also we all experience morality every day. It’s one of the things which keeps societies stable. Mackie is asking an ontological question about moral facts.

In my opinion he’s not saying that there are no  human morals.

For example take the human construct of money. Say an American dollar. It…[Read more]

]]> 4c1761678f3ccbe15e90c1e971994762 Karuna replied to the topic Pretty much sums up the frustration of modern academics in the forum Humanism https://atheistzone.com/groups/humanism/forum/topic/pretty-much-sums-up-the-frustration-of-modern-academics/page/8/#post-31818 Mon, 15 Jun 2020 08:07:55 +0000 I read some stuff by JL Mackie, about this. The question he puts  is if moral facts do exist. That if they are real, if they exist independent of human minds? What are they like?

For example we know that gravity exists as a fact in the physical world.

Even if there were no minds the fact and properties of gravitational force would still be…[Read more]

]]> 1f88a20a131c7629b266c629f1dfb12b Karuna replied to the topic Pretty much sums up the frustration of modern academics in the forum Humanism https://atheistzone.com/groups/humanism/forum/topic/pretty-much-sums-up-the-frustration-of-modern-academics/page/7/#post-31785 Sun, 14 Jun 2020 04:48:29 +0000 I think what Simon Payton is saying is that each culture has forms. Like platonic forms or archetypes. There is such a thing as Spartan, and Quaker helping as a structure. Or there is such a thing as law.
Is it the form which is universal, compared to the specific content.

The relative part is the contents of the structure so Spartan laws would…[Read more]

]]> b55a1da069d56af6af7ae934f86601b4 Karuna replied to the topic Pretty much sums up the frustration of modern academics in the forum Humanism https://atheistzone.com/groups/humanism/forum/topic/pretty-much-sums-up-the-frustration-of-modern-academics/page/7/#post-31783 Sun, 14 Jun 2020 03:29:47 +0000 I was thinking, if humans went through a Hunter gatherer stage and later formed complex societies. Then when they were in small groups they needed cooperation to survive.
That cooperation requires group norms like don’t kill don’t steal stuff like that.
This cooperative behaviour would actually be adaptive.
Culture would aid in the transmission of…[Read more]

]]> d0e06994dd191a6636364a825829bbb5 Karuna replied to the topic Pretty much sums up the frustration of modern academics in the forum Humanism https://atheistzone.com/groups/humanism/forum/topic/pretty-much-sums-up-the-frustration-of-modern-academics/page/6/#post-31766 Sat, 13 Jun 2020 05:43:45 +0000

Noam Chomsky on moral relativism and postmodernism

 

]]> 50fe97fa422fb0f5dee5580d6a78eca9 Karuna posted an update in the group Humanism: Is that small book on ethics called the Groundwork? by E Kant? https://atheistzone.com/activity/p/22216/ Fri, 12 Jun 2020 21:38:13 +0000 Is that small book on ethics called the Groundwork? by E Kant?

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