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    • @Reg

    Twinkling of an eye means being dead you did not sense the immense passage of time.It is like suspended animation 0r cryogenic travel to a distant star. Yes we are all gods but only the father of gods shoul be worshipped. Yet we are all his creations. But Christ was born of God and we can receive the new birth.  As a member of his body it is hard to argue that we shall not be glorified.

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    @davis

    Well the pagan interpretation of hell is as such. Scripture speaks of the second death after the resurrection to Judgement.

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    #24753

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    Reg. God uses poets and minstrels to allude to the truth, thanks for sharing. Oblivion from the  dead’s perspective is a blinking of an eye in duration since they have loss the faculty to register time. They arrive instantly to judgement day where “God stands in the congregation of the mighty and judges among the gods.”-Psalms. We will see God by dying and being resurrected to judgement, in the future before this earth  “shall burn with a fervent heat” -Peter

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    #24750

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    Reg. He calls us all gods including angels. The Trinity is questionable doctrine assumed from the baptismal proclaimation.

    We a simply talking about the three ways God manifests himself to man.

    #9455

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    @Reg

    “You say: The foreboding implication does not get lost on eschatologist.

    I hear: The conspiracy theorists will be in a frenzy with this fresh shot of confirmation bias.”

    Well I bet they trembled in their seats when Hitler came to power. But the scary part is that it can happen again.

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    #9448

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    Trump is being celebrated in Israel as King Cyrus or Artaxerxes though he may be more synonymous  with King Herod under the Roman Empire, the Empire that the Third Reich is modeled under. The foreboding implication does not get lost on eschatologist .

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    #8326

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    Michael…….you might like this book I just found.

    it looks interesting

    #8322

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    OK Michael. When I asked earlier for a definition of your God the first line of your reply was that he can raise the dead. Now you are saying you have no evidence for this. So I take it that you don’t know that your God can do this. You are just assuming so. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

    -As I said, I do not come in his name.

       But the  bus might arrive.

    #8320

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    How many times do we have to ask you to furnish us with examples of your God raising the dead? Give us locations, names, dates and times.

    Reread the post , there was a typo. “The bus has not arrived yet” : That is precisely what I’m looking for.

    #8315

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    -Why this god? Because only the one true god can raise the dead… Again Michael – how do you know this as you also just stated that –Yes on faith I accept the testimony of the men of God? You cannot claim as factual that your God is the only true god if you accept it all on faith. -I believe the eyewitness testimony of men of God. Yes, we know you believe some parts of the Bible. Again Michael – you only believe it because you accept it on faith and not because it is factual. How many times do we have to ask you to furnish us with examples of your God raising the dead? Give us locations, names, dates and times. If you are only going to quote the Bible then we will accept that you cannot. Offer us something of substance or get off the bus.

    -I can tell you the future based on their words but it is high level. I will share the following not as proof but to show that I substantiate my faith with historical facts and not miracles since the.The  bUs has not arrived yet and I don’t have places and names.

    The houses of Oldenberg, Burbon and Nassau. The three remaining Houses of Europe shall be totally uprooted and replaced by the beast to come who will stand in the reconstructed Jewish Temple and proclaim hisself God.

    These Three Houses are the last remaining Houses of the Houses prophesied in the Book of  Revelations.

    At the writing of the book in 95 Ad seven heads of the Roman Empire prophesied. This became true:

    Western Roman Empire Edit
    Julio-Claudian Dynasty (27 BC – AD 68)
    Flavian Dynasty (69–96)
    Nervan-Antonian Dynasty (96–192)
    Severan Dynasty (193–235)
    Constantinian dynasty (303–363)
    Valentinian Dynasty (364–457)
    House of Theodosius from 379—476
    Romania.

    God’s Word is true.

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    #8306

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    @michael, If you told a Martian (that understood English!!) “God is he that can raise the dead”, do you think he would believe you or know what you even mean. “Yes, he who cures the blind also created the universe and will make you immortal right now”. “Please Earthling, get off my planet and wipe the red sand from your boots on the way out”. I occasionally work in an Eye hospital and no ophthalmologist has ever mentioned a blind person being cured by a supernatural entity. Please (as Davis has asked) give an example of where and when this god of yours has raised the dead. How do you know these things about “God”. And don’t say because the Bible says so. I think you are just pretending to know things that humans cannot possibly know.

    -Yes on faith I accept the testimony of the men of God.

    -Why this god?, because only the one true god can raise the dead

    -I believe the eyewitness testimony  of men of God. The prophet were not killed in Jerusalem  because they were lairs including Christ, but because what They said was truth and condemned sinful and currupt powers that be.

    Viracocha was also known to have many of the same traits you are assigning to your God. What evidence have you to indicate you are correct? I mean you are just taking it all on faith and your subjective opinion, right? In other words it must exist only in your head and that is why you cannot offer me anything of substance. The luggage compartment on the bus is empty Michael.

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    #8289

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    Michael you are not explaining what or whom you mean by “God”.

    -God is he that can  raise the dead. God is he that  makes the blind  see. God is he that  heals the sick.  God is he in whom we exist. God is the wellspring  of  life. God is he who can  birth you immortal right now.

    In the near east since a god is known by his name. His name describes what he does. And to come in his name means his living presence has come with you with that power. So I do not come in the name of the Lord.

    We are atheists and don’t believe anything you are saying. We do not believe what you believe and we have no idea what you are talking about. It makes no sense to us. It does not sound coherent. We only have a “fleshy” mind, which is our physical brain. We do not have a spiritual one or a soul. They are constructs of religions and you might as well talk of our wings as our spiritual minds. They just don’t exist, like the gods we don’t believe in. Are you a member of any Muslim or Hindu sites where you try to explain this to them so they know your truth? Do you spend time correcting the errors of Catholic or Mormon beliefs on their websites? They would at least have some idea of what you are talking about. They seem to understand what you mean by “God”. We really don’t and you seem incapable of defining “Him”. If you intend to try, then please do not quote the Bible. The Bible is the claim for your God and not the proof of anything. And to be baptized in that name is to have presence and power forever.

    Reg the Fronkey Farmer wrote:

    Michael you are not explaining what or whom you mean by “God”. We are atheists and don’t believe anything you are saying. We do not believe what you believe and we have no idea what you are talking about. It makes no sense to us. It does not sound coherent. We only have a “fleshy” mind, which is our physical brain. We do not have a spiritual one or a soul. They are constructs of religions and you might as well talk of our wings as our spiritual minds. They just don’t exist, like the gods we don’t believe in. Are you a member of any Muslim or Hindu sites where you try to explain this to them so they know your truth? Do you spend time correcting the errors of Catholic or Mormon beliefs on their websites? They would at least have some idea of what you are talking about. They seem to understand what you mean by “God”. We really don’t and you seem incapable of defining “Him”. If you intend to try, then please do not quote the Bible. The Bible is the claim for your God and not the proof of anything.

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    #8284

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    An explanation of what “God” is would help but so would an explanation of what a “spiritual mind” is.

    -We are to be like Christ, who had a duel nature on earth: born of the flesh and born of God, except he was born of God in the womb. We can become born of God now. That birth is an immmortal one. But like Christ only your newly generated spirit or Christ mind is immortal. “ Father, into your hands I commit my spirit.”

    But three days later he rose bodily from the grave. So his spirit or Christ mind was unclothed for three days.

    I really have no idea what people mean when the talk of such things. It all sounds like theological jargon to me. What does “spiritually discerned” mean?

    -It means you need a spiritual mind in addition to your fleshly one.

    Sounds like something those so called TV “ghost hunters” or “psychics” have. They think they have a gift, like those that pick up snakes, but they are just delusional. How are you at navigating the narrow streets after driving in the wilderness for so long?

    -Hopefully a spiritual mind will have a universal GPS.

    When we die our mind dies. It does not go anywhere. It is not a separate entity to the body.

    -Absolulely true so become born from above.

    To reference The Doors once more……. When the Music’s over, turn out the lights. Cancel my subscription to the Resurrection, send my credentials to the house of detention.

    -Martyr the Truth and impose the lie by the sword. Constantine reigns victorious with miracleless Churches in place guised as Christianity to give the way of that Truth a baffoonary of a lagacy for new generations to come.

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    #8278

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    @michael – I am unable to make much sense out of what you are saying. Talking about minds joining God and spiritual bodies meeting in the air or being born of God or having a Christ mind is something I cannot visualize.

    -Having the spiritual mind clothed with a spiritual body appears II Corinthians 5:3.

    -The birth of a new spiritual mind is apart of the Christ body. The true meaning of drinking his blood and eating his flesh. We can only live forever being apart of his living temple. The true meaning of “ In my fathers house there are many rooms”

    I am unable to comprehend what you are talking about.

    -These things are spiritually decerned and almost impossible to understand given our frame.

    From my point of view no gods exist from any religion. I would need to understand what you mean by “God” in the first place. Quoting from the Bible, especially Revelations, is of no use to me. I don’t see it as a revealed or “God breathed” book. I am not saying you are wrong Michael, I am just saying I find what you are saying to be unbelievable. I don’t believe it because I cannot believe it. I do not desire or wish for immortality. I have come to terms with my own mortality years ago. I live my life in the “knowledge” that I have only one life and when it is over – it’s all over for me. The party goes on without me, just as it did before my invite arrived (Or maybe I am just a lucky gate-crasher). I find nothing depressing about this. In fact I still have a great sense of the initial freedom I felt when I first “got it”. There are no gods and I am just a mere mortal. It is the only worldview I can now entertain.

    -True also for Stephen Hawkins. so you are in great company. I just watched his ‘Grand Design’ on the science channel.

    I am open to editing it pending the arrival of more knowledge but I suspect most changes I would make would be cosmetic and not as important as understanding that I am just another evolved and mortal member of the Homo sapiens species that exists on a speck of blue dust in a Universe that is unaware of me. Unless of course we are what gives the Universe its reason for its own finite existence but it’s too late to get all anthropic about it. I also try not to type on the bus. I am more concern about asking the driver where you taking us.

    -Well just sit back on the bus while I drive you to where miracles are truly performed, I am not giving up after being 40 years in the wilderness 🙂

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    #8275

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    Whey, don’t type on the bus, let’s try again:

    -True saints with their spiritual minds joined to their spiritual bodies will meet the lord in the air. This corresponds to ” white robes were given them and they were told to rest for a season”

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