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  • #30929

    michael17
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    So I have at least one amateur hour question. Preceded with at least one amateur hour supposition. Supposition (open for your corrections): Either–as I think Jake spoke to–1) there are near-infinite branches, of which none will ever meet again and we can never prove or disprove their existence or empirical natures; or 2) perhaps similarly but nowhere near near-infinite-wise, universes can merge back together almost instantly due to some unexpected law regarding conservation of quantum probability. (Yes, I just made that one up.) I.e. maybe spooky action at a distance has to happen not only in the entanglement that we would see, but with another underlying/invisible entanglement that we wouldn’t presently know how to see, that undoes the previous spooky action at a distance, e.g. with spooky anti-action at a distance. Shazam, two complementary mysteries are better than one, right!? Bringing us immediately back from two universes to one; same old single universe returns every time.

    But here’s the bigger question, assuming I’m wrong above, so split/duplicate universes happen all the time and I just need to get over it. Are there any calculations that predict how often such splits happen? Like, if there are a bazillion such splits nearby, happening a bazillion times per millennium or even per second, then maybe there IS like a Quantum God just having fun with us, or maybe there are even a bazillion Quantum Gods who don’t even ever see each other and meet, much less get to know each other very well. AND FURTHERMORE, does a split that’s caused by some Quantum God a bazillion light years from here plus there potentially being all those other localized-Spooky/Quantum-Gods in our shared sphere of influence (or “sub-universe” or whatever it should be called at any instance in time)… it makes me forget now if I ever had an important question to start with, much less hope anyone can provide a useful answer.

    See, my first proposition is the best. Or (I think) it’s officially my Supposition #2. I dunno, everything appears to me as Quantum-Conflated now.

    So I digressed. Still, I shall name this the “do-undo double-action invisible-probability pilot-wave-equalizer phenomenon” (DDIPP for short), and you are my witnesses when it’s time for the Nobel guys to pick their winners.

    Despite infinite branches existing in the quantum universe or Hilbert space only one outcome can collapse into event space at every instance. I subscribe to Penrose’s supposition, that Hilbert space is  a reality and not just a mathematical construct. A Quantum God would be privy to that reality and existing outside of event space with definite spooky action at a distance in time or space.

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    #30927

    michael17
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    I think that Michael is trying to show that it’s only possible for a single outcome to happen, instead of multiple outcomes. Presumably, that’s within one universe. Multiple universes implies multiple realities. The multiverse theory is not so far fetched.

    Simon, you nailed it, thanks!

    #30914

    michael17
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    Einstein and Chaim Weismann, before he became the first President of Israel, spent a week together sailing to the US. He later told a story of how Einstein spent most of the voyage explaining Relativity (and probably De Sitter space field equations) to him. At the end of the week Weismann concluded that Einstein did indeed understand Relativity.

    I like that story. We would be blissfully ignorant of space-time without the contribution of two of those men.

    #30908

    michael17
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    Davis wrote:Michael while that diagram is interesting (no doubt) I don’t see how it remotely answers Unseens question. They seem to have little (if anything) to do with one another. Can you explain how those diagrams answer his question?

    Yes, he said that he was not a physicist, therefore could I put my commentary addressing multiple universes in a nutshell. One element of my commentary states that when quasicrystal grow to tile a volume the a priori plan that avoids dead ends is a Hilbert space of predetermined possibilities. This could suffice similar to multiple universes. I was demonstrating in laymen fashion how the mechanics of a Hilbert space with wave form elements might work. This shows how a deterministic universe meshes with branching possibilities. Only a single state will collapse from the quantum mechanical wave into event space.

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    #30906

    michael17
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    @unseen,

    Below are 5 states of a trinomino system which are analogous to quasicrystals in that they are aperiodic, thus there are more than  one solution to a given area. In this case I show 5 states:This system is described by controlling connectivity table where the 16 columns and rows correspond to the numbered tiles.  A entry in the table means tile # x touch’s tile #y. The linear connections are the diagonals and the nonlinear connections are the off diagonal terms more over these nonlinear terms are functions analogous to wave functions that determine the specific state.

    • A quasicrystal system is shown below. A table likewise can be described. The table is analogous to a Hilbert space and the functions is a quantum mechanical wave or cloud that can collapse into a specific state.
    #30903

    michael17
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    @unseen,

    After work i will upload some diagrams and break it down further.

    #30895

    michael17
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    Yes, in all probability it would have been difficult to predict we would get to this point. Seems rather a chaotic path to have taken but we will remain determined to freely post some more.

    LOL Let me throw a philosophical/logical wrench in the works. How can an infinitely branching system of universes be possible under determinism? It would seem that if determinism is anything, it is abolutely linear. How could a branching even be possible?

    Hilbert space is similar to multiple universe accept it does not exist in event space it is uncollapsed in the posited Hilbert space. If a volume is to be tiled aperiodically with quasicrystals there are multiple solutions yet each must be known a priori in order not tile into dead ends. How does nature know in advance if nature progress linearly?  A Hilbert space of determined possibilities would be the answer. A cloud of working possibilities preceding everything    or a wave. I posit based on the Penrose referenced experiment in his book “The emperors new mind”, that light will always find its way out of a periscopic maze comprised out of mirrors having 50% reflectivity going in the original direction it was traveling with a solution collapsed from Hilbert space just as in the original  simple periscopic assembly experiment. This stuff is just as counter intuitive as a Hilsch tube.

     

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    #30894

    michael17
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    mankind can not be written off as self centered

    Take a look at this scatter plot, which shows the dark (basically, selfish) vs. light (unselfish) scores of 1518 people. It shows that most people are unselfish. A comforting chart.

    #30883

    michael17
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    @michael – to challenge the pseudo-sanctimonious Christian paradigm… We can certainly help you with that 🙂

    Sounds like a plan. Tap your tremendous knowledgeability. 🙂

    #30875

    michael17
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    ….medial staff is Christ-like and admirable

    They are the opposite of Christ-like. They skillfully employ medical science to cure people. Why is there no mad rush to church doorways by ambulances carrying the very sick and dying? Why do not the pastor emulate jesus and simply cure the sick as is promised so many times? Because every one knows deep down that prayer and faith is nonsense. I know you will not answer this. Are you upset that scientists are trying to stop this message from god? You should be overjoyed right about now. (que Crickets).

    You should have been reading my posts you are preaching to the choir ( I hate that expression since I don’t believe in churches). The Pope is cowering as he did during the Bubonic plague and completely unable to. heal the sick, cleanse the leper nor raise the dead, if he is what he says. He is simply a rouse, a charlatan, a powerless paper tiger that murdered the true body of Christ and is “drunk with the blood of the martyrs”as stated in prophecy.

    His palace is where the Body was set afire. He gives occasion for atheist and naysayers as yourself to blaspheme the way of truth which is forgiven because of the masquerade by this charlaton

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    #30872

    michael17
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    @michaelI evangelize not by speaking but by setting the example despite my debates on this site. Preach the Gospel at all times. Use words if necessary. Christians would be closer to the truth if the followed that adage. Alleged to be spoken by St. Francis of Assisi but probably not.

    Reg, I agree with your point and hope to do so one day. In the mean time I am breaking ground on a book collaborated with my son to challenge the pseudo-sanctimonious Christian paradigm.

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    #30862

    michael17
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    I see very little love your neighbor as yourself displayed by the general population particularly with all the hoarding going on. However the selflessness displayed by first responders and medial staff is Christ-like and admirable. Such a display shows that mankind can not be written off as self centered, it being their jobs, notwithstanding. Being an evangelist I live by Psalm 91 and conduct my day as normally as the  State and presidential orders will allow me.  I evangelize not by speaking but by setting the example despite my debates on this site.

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    #30852

    michael17
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    @Reg Just answering your question and without which there is no answer.

    #30838

    michael17
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    But mercy shown can even rescue a atheist. We don’t need rescuing. We don’t want any mercy from the pious and self-righteous. We don’t want to go to your heaven – even if it was real. That would be hell. Then again, it only exists in your head because that is where your God exists. Are you claiming that a billion Hindus, the majority of whom know less about Christianity than I do, but who are atheists just like me towards your God, have a chance of becoming immortals just like Christians believe they will? You can “be saved” by having no faith? Please tell that to all the other Christians. Then they might leave us alone. The thought of having to spend eternity with 1000’s of nuns!!! I know the Catholics probably have their own private section 🙂 but do the Muslims get in too?

    Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35 For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36 I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’

    37 “Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38 When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39 When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’

    40 “The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’

    #30837

    michael17
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    Michael, the historicity of your claims is dubious. But that is besides the point. WHEN WILL I LEARN? Fuck’s wrong with me?
    I want to get you guys through this current crisis. Even if you don’t believe show kindness and give to charities as you have done in the past. Help the poor, blind and those lacking cloths. Forgive your enemies. Respect the law and all authority. And if you can read a inter linear bible with a open mind.

    Its not blood painted on the door yet but certainly preparing the surface

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