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    michael17
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    Well gentlemen you have a conundrum. There are artificial structures on the moon, including buildings, glass domes and towers. Concrete evidence that your paradigm may be wrong. I can’t even make heads or tails out of it. Was there an advance race on earth billions of years in the past collaborating. the anomalous archaeological artifacts that have been found that academia swepts under the carpet? ( Forbidden Archaeology is one text that deals with the subject matter) a spark plug  has been found in a rock and a hammer in a coal vein to mention a few. Another conjecture is aliens. Moreover, recently artificial structures have photographed on a comet of all things.

     

     

     

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    #24816

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    @Reg

    • As Christ says, souls are destroyed in Hell so I don’t consider it and eternity. But to your question. The possibility of the new birth and seeing creation and heavens through the Fathers eyes makes me feel elation. Living for eternity makes me feel likewise
    #24811

    michael17
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    @Reg

    To receive the new birth is a blessing, but I have not received it. So far, I’ll have to stand on Judgement Day, like everyone else. “The books were open and the dead were judged”

    Only how my life broadcasts my belief can be evidence for mercy since all men have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.

    Parochial authorities (Rome) have martyred, the Body making Spiritual baptism harder to receive. Yet the few choosen and faithful lampstands are on this earth somewhere and will commence their testimony even upon the streets of Jerusalem, when the wicked one is revealed.

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    #24804

    michael17
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    Presurrection to Judgement.
    They will be punished with everlasting destruction and shut out from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of his might

    2 Thessalonians 1:9

    This is how it will be at the end of the age. The angels will come and separate the wicked from the righteous and throw them into the blazing furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

    weeping and gnashing before the “second death”

    Matthew 13:49-50

    “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.

    The eternal fire is prepared for the devil and his angels but for man the “second death”

    Matthew 25:41

    If your hand causes you to stumble, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life maimed than with two hands to go into hell, where the fire never goes out.

    yes the “second death”

    Mark 9:43

    In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire.

    That translation does not agree with the original Greek. Use a interlinear

    Jude 1:7
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    Forgive my bible quoting but, some of the most important job of reasoning with the religious, is pointing out what their scriptures actually say. These various quotes are not a pagan description of hell. This is SCRIPTURE!

    You have only two quotes that could back what you are saying. One is a mistranslation and the other you are reading into it more than it says. Scripture speaks of the resurrection of all flesh to judgement day. Then the unworthy will experience the second death. “The living know they shall die but the dead  they know nothiing”-Job

    There is no ambiguity in the bible. The description of a nasty horrid hell is consistent in various books and mentions fire, eternal torture, flames that get hotter, never ending. Jesus himself warns people against sinning or face the punishment of eternal torture which he seems to have no moral problem with.

    This a direct translation from the Greek below, where as your mistranslated antichrist, false Christ bible will give a pagan version:

    And if your right hand causes you to stumble, cut it off and cast it from you, for it is better for you that one of your members should perish and not that your whole body should depart into Gehenna.

    The word perish in the Greek has no connotation of burning forever, moreover with flesh, it is impossible. Only immortal spirits (angels) can suffer flames forever.

    Michael, you consistently quote scripture and evangelistic babble, and yet it seems, with no doubt in my mind, you are extremely unfamiliar with the bible. I mean, either you use the bible as a source of divine wisdom and evidence of God…or you don’t. This cherry picking of yours and claiming any passage of the bible you don’t like is some “pagan” view…is an intellectual impairment. So what is hell then?

    It is a place of eternal torment for the angels that sinned and a place of destruction for mortal flesh, “the second death”-Revelations 

     

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    #24792

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    • @Reg

    Twinkling of an eye means being dead you did not sense the immense passage of time.It is like suspended animation 0r cryogenic travel to a distant star. Yes we are all gods but only the father of gods shoul be worshipped. Yet we are all his creations. But Christ was born of God and we can receive the new birth.  As a member of his body it is hard to argue that we shall not be glorified.

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    #24790

    michael17
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    @davis

    Well the pagan interpretation of hell is as such. Scripture speaks of the second death after the resurrection to Judgement.

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    #24753

    michael17
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    Reg. God uses poets and minstrels to allude to the truth, thanks for sharing. Oblivion from the  dead’s perspective is a blinking of an eye in duration since they have loss the faculty to register time. They arrive instantly to judgement day where “God stands in the congregation of the mighty and judges among the gods.”-Psalms. We will see God by dying and being resurrected to judgement, in the future before this earth  “shall burn with a fervent heat” -Peter

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    #24750

    michael17
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    Reg. He calls us all gods including angels. The Trinity is questionable doctrine assumed from the baptismal proclaimation.

    We a simply talking about the three ways God manifests himself to man.

    #9455

    michael17
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    @Reg

    “You say: The foreboding implication does not get lost on eschatologist.

    I hear: The conspiracy theorists will be in a frenzy with this fresh shot of confirmation bias.”

    Well I bet they trembled in their seats when Hitler came to power. But the scary part is that it can happen again.

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    Trump is being celebrated in Israel as King Cyrus or Artaxerxes though he may be more synonymous  with King Herod under the Roman Empire, the Empire that the Third Reich is modeled under. The foreboding implication does not get lost on eschatologist .

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    #8326

    michael17
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    Michael…….you might like this book I just found.

    it looks interesting

    #8322

    michael17
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    OK Michael. When I asked earlier for a definition of your God the first line of your reply was that he can raise the dead. Now you are saying you have no evidence for this. So I take it that you don’t know that your God can do this. You are just assuming so. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

    -As I said, I do not come in his name.

       But the  bus might arrive.

    #8320

    michael17
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    How many times do we have to ask you to furnish us with examples of your God raising the dead? Give us locations, names, dates and times.

    Reread the post , there was a typo. “The bus has not arrived yet” : That is precisely what I’m looking for.

    #8315

    michael17
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    -Why this god? Because only the one true god can raise the dead… Again Michael – how do you know this as you also just stated that –Yes on faith I accept the testimony of the men of God? You cannot claim as factual that your God is the only true god if you accept it all on faith. -I believe the eyewitness testimony of men of God. Yes, we know you believe some parts of the Bible. Again Michael – you only believe it because you accept it on faith and not because it is factual. How many times do we have to ask you to furnish us with examples of your God raising the dead? Give us locations, names, dates and times. If you are only going to quote the Bible then we will accept that you cannot. Offer us something of substance or get off the bus.

    -I can tell you the future based on their words but it is high level. I will share the following not as proof but to show that I substantiate my faith with historical facts and not miracles since the.The  bUs has not arrived yet and I don’t have places and names.

    The houses of Oldenberg, Burbon and Nassau. The three remaining Houses of Europe shall be totally uprooted and replaced by the beast to come who will stand in the reconstructed Jewish Temple and proclaim hisself God.

    These Three Houses are the last remaining Houses of the Houses prophesied in the Book of  Revelations.

    At the writing of the book in 95 Ad seven heads of the Roman Empire prophesied. This became true:

    Western Roman Empire Edit
    Julio-Claudian Dynasty (27 BC – AD 68)
    Flavian Dynasty (69–96)
    Nervan-Antonian Dynasty (96–192)
    Severan Dynasty (193–235)
    Constantinian dynasty (303–363)
    Valentinian Dynasty (364–457)
    House of Theodosius from 379—476
    Romania.

    God’s Word is true.

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    #8306

    michael17
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    @michael, If you told a Martian (that understood English!!) “God is he that can raise the dead”, do you think he would believe you or know what you even mean. “Yes, he who cures the blind also created the universe and will make you immortal right now”. “Please Earthling, get off my planet and wipe the red sand from your boots on the way out”. I occasionally work in an Eye hospital and no ophthalmologist has ever mentioned a blind person being cured by a supernatural entity. Please (as Davis has asked) give an example of where and when this god of yours has raised the dead. How do you know these things about “God”. And don’t say because the Bible says so. I think you are just pretending to know things that humans cannot possibly know.

    -Yes on faith I accept the testimony of the men of God.

    -Why this god?, because only the one true god can raise the dead

    -I believe the eyewitness testimony  of men of God. The prophet were not killed in Jerusalem  because they were lairs including Christ, but because what They said was truth and condemned sinful and currupt powers that be.

    Viracocha was also known to have many of the same traits you are assigning to your God. What evidence have you to indicate you are correct? I mean you are just taking it all on faith and your subjective opinion, right? In other words it must exist only in your head and that is why you cannot offer me anything of substance. The luggage compartment on the bus is empty Michael.

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