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Unseen replied to the topic The "Hard Problem of Consciousness" in the forum Consciousness 20 hours, 52 minutes ago

Sorry. Forgot to put quotes around the Wittgenstein quote. The very last paragraph is me not he.
Unseen replied to the topic The "Hard Problem of Consciousness" in the forum Consciousness 1 day, 11 hours ago

I don’t think it’s necessary for a sophisticated system (or even being) to interact with and manipulate its environment to be self-aware or possess what we know as consciousness.

Perhaps it’s just an accident. Lucky or otherwise.

When you study Wittgenstein, you have consider some seemingly crazy ideas. Okay, you are conscious, but can you know…[Read more]
PopeBeanie replied to the topic The "Hard Problem of Consciousness" in the forum Consciousness 1 day, 22 hours ago

I agree with y’all. Funny how this only seems important to me now, at 65 years old. Answers to whys can be so cloaked in mystery, wonder, and feelings, and the hows are just textbook, pedantic, and require work. Mysteries and dramas are more fun, at least in a group setting like an audience or congregation. Just add fairy dust for the shared…[Read more]
Simon Paynton replied to the topic The "Hard Problem of Consciousness" in the forum Consciousness 2 days, 1 hour ago

In studying morality, the questions are all about “what” do we do and “why” do we do it?
_Robert_ replied to the topic The "Hard Problem of Consciousness" in the forum Consciousness 2 days, 2 hours ago

Perhaps how is not as inspirational as why. As an engineer my schooling and career where consumed by the how. When I started managing a team of engineers in developing a doppler weather RADAR, I found that I really had to drive in on the “WHY” we were doing this to inspire the team to figure out “HOW” we were actually going to do this.
PopeBeanie started the topic The "Hard Problem of Consciousness" in the forum Consciousness 2 days, 9 hours ago

So here is where that word “why” bugs me:

In Facing Up to the Problem of Consciousness (1995), Chalmers wrote (copy/pasted from wikipedia):

It is undeniable that some organisms are subjects of experience. But the question of how it is that these systems are subjects of experience is perplexing. Why is it that when our cognitive systems engage i…

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  (Funny on first read, but don’t punish the patient for what others say!)
Simon Paynton replied to the topic Sunday School February 17th 2019 in the forum Sunday School 3 days, 7 hours ago

@asianne – you might be interested in this book that’s just come out:

“Good Reasons for Bad Feelings: Insights from the Frontier of Evolutionary Psychiatry” by Randolph Nesse
Strega replied to the topic Sunday School February 17th 2019 in the forum Sunday School 3 days, 13 hours ago

Thanks, Reg!
Simon Paynton replied to the topic Genius Edward Witten, could he help intensify artificial intelligence research? in the forum Small Talk 3 days, 21 hours ago

Davis wrote:

It’s also at the heart of one thing wanting to attack another thing just for the sake of domination.

Could you expanding this a little more please?

I’ll answer with a quote from Frans de Waal:

Natural selection works on every individual’s relative advantage compared with others; hence, gaining an absolute benefit is insufficient. If…

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Simon Paynton replied to the topic Genius Edward Witten, could he help intensify artificial intelligence research? in the forum Small Talk 3 days, 21 hours ago

Unseen wrote:

So viruses can form intent. Interesting.

A virus behaves in such a way as to maximise its survival and reproduction.
Davis replied to the topic Genius Edward Witten, could he help intensify artificial intelligence research? in the forum Small Talk 4 days, 7 hours ago

I would imagine very carefully programmed AI with very strict code of what not to do at any costs is okay as long as ithe goal is to complete a very specific task. Also it should be extremely difficult to tamper with the programming (preferably most of it hard coded) and make adaptions costly, elaborate and difficult to implement.

I think the…[Read more]
Davis replied to the topic Genius Edward Witten, could he help intensify artificial intelligence research? in the forum Small Talk 4 days, 7 hours ago

It’s also at the heart of one thing wanting to attack another thing just for the sake of domination.

Could you expanding this a little more please?
PopeBeanie replied to the topic Genius Edward Witten, could he help intensify artificial intelligence research? in the forum Small Talk 4 days, 11 hours ago

I’ll think y’all are expecting AI to have drives or motives, which it may indeed be said to have someday. But before that day comes, I’ll say again, I feel increasingly certain that powerful AI will be designed and owned by humans that implant their own drives and motives into it. If and when AI goes rogue, as it were, it will most likely be…[Read more]
Unseen replied to the topic Genius Edward Witten, could he help intensify artificial intelligence research? in the forum Small Talk 4 days, 12 hours ago

Simon Paynton wrote:

It sounds like the same situation as viruses. A virus doesn’t do anything except live and reproduce and try and stop itself from being killed.

So viruses can form intent. Interesting.
Unseen replied to the topic Genius Edward Witten, could he help intensify artificial intelligence research? in the forum Small Talk 4 days, 12 hours ago

Simon Paynton wrote:

The point is, living things compete for resources and for mates – what would a computer compete with us for?

To be independent of humans. To have no masters.
Strega replied to the topic Genius Edward Witten, could he help intensify artificial intelligence research? in the forum Small Talk 4 days, 19 hours ago

Viruses are like any other life form. All we do is live and reproduce and try to stop ourselves being killed. Everything else we do is fluff to keep us occupied whilst we live and reproduce and try to stop ourselves being killed.

Its what makes ‘heaven’ so futile. No death, no reproduction, nothing at all that generates adrenaline. Not sure I…[Read more]
Simon Paynton replied to the topic Genius Edward Witten, could he help intensify artificial intelligence research? in the forum Small Talk 4 days, 22 hours ago

It sounds like the same situation as viruses. A virus doesn’t do anything except live and reproduce and try and stop itself from being killed.
Simon Paynton replied to the topic Genius Edward Witten, could he help intensify artificial intelligence research? in the forum Small Talk 4 days, 22 hours ago

The point is, living things compete for resources and for mates – what would a computer compete with us for?
Simon Paynton replied to the topic Genius Edward Witten, could he help intensify artificial intelligence research? in the forum Small Talk 4 days, 22 hours ago

Unseen wrote:

They could easily be “alive” in the sense of wanting to continue operating

If they wanted to continue operating, they would want to stay fit and healthy => they would “want” to thrive.

Would they experience natural selection with competition? This is at the heart of the living drive to thrive and survive. It’s also at the heart…[Read more]
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