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    Would the “atheist dad” be a prissy snowflake if his daughter was being asked to pray to Allah?. If he and his daughter were Muslims and she was being asked to pray to Jesus would you think that is “totally inoffensive” too?


    I don’t think it is possible to take Time out of the equation. In our daily lives we understand what “Now” is. It is our present “time”. But when we consider it on a Universal scale it is meaningless, in the same sense as saying the moon is “up there”. When it comes to Space there is no “Up or Down” and when it comes to measuring Time, there is no universal “present time” or universal “now”. What happens on Mars in their “now” would not become our “now” for another 15 minutes or so.

    We would not see the edge of Space without Time because neither exist on their own. There is only “SpaceTime”. This is what gets warped when a massive object, a star or planet, interacts with it. The Earth warps Spacetime which keeps the Moon spinning around it, just as the Earth is spinning around the Sun. What I mean is that the Earth “thinks” it is travelling in a straight line outwards in an ever expanding Universe but really it is just trapped in the curved SpaceTime that the mass of the Sun creates.  Time and Space do not exist independently of each other.


    Screaming Lord Sutch of the Monster Raving Loony Party was great because he would stand for election in whatever constituency the current Prime Minister of the day was standing in. He was the original. I don’t think the Russians were bothered to even try to influence this unnecessary election.


    Thanks Noel, I highly recommend this book by Carlo Rovelli. It is easily understood in the same way the video of the Brian Cox lecture in the “Coffee Break” is. I learn a lot from both of them as they help me to conceptualize the ideas and then I can study and develop them further.


    Atheist Ireland along with the Evangelical Alliance of Ireland and Irish Ahmadiyya Muslims have just made a written submission to the United Nations challenging human rights abuses in Pakistan. Next month Atheist Ireland will address these issues at the UNHCR in Geneva. Read Me.


    Have a great week everyone!!

    It’s a strange myth that atheists have nothing to live for. It’s the opposite. We have nothing to die for; we have everything to live for. – Ricky Gervais.


    It’s only natural that a hard Brexit will follow a hung parliament.


    I know where you are coming from Simon. It is just that when you say “You have to remember I’m talking about God’s love and the ways in which an evolutionary theory of morality translates into theology” you should qualify it with something like “Christians might say that…..” Ok, maybe I am being a bit tedious but I want “passer-by’s” to know it is two (very moral!) atheists in discussion.


    Sorry Simon but you are still sounding like a Christian apologist when turning theologian to explain what you think their gods’ love means. God’s love does not exist because God does not exist. If people believe that they are having a personal relationship with the Creator of the Universe then they are suffering from a delusion. Therefore any moral framework based upon “God’s Love” is unsound. It means all actions are carried out under the threat of punishment or the expectation of reward. That sentence alone displays the very weakness of faith based morality. It removes much of the role of personal responsibility.

    Atheists (i.e. non-believers) must build their moral framework though on-going discussions and self-development. It is an active endeavour. Faith based is too passive. All they need to do is read the same 2000 year old pages over and over. Don’t swallow your moral code in tablet form as Hitchens once said. It does not lend itself to further development and anything that may spring from theology, in order to improve it, is no longer faith based. It belongs in the secular realm. I can see no merit in using or claiming to need the Bible as a source of moral instruction. Whatever it may offer is too basic to warrant embracing because it is not “god breathed” as it was written by Bronze Age men over 2000 years ago. Morality is not a set of absolute rules. It is an ever evolving process that has no need for any religious input. We are way past all of that.


    do you really believe we can do without the rule of law?

    No, I am not even talking about the rule of law. I am talking about morality.
    People will co-operate for the group but people can still compete for “selfish” reasons and still be ethical (or moral). I can even compete “unfairly”, with complete disregards for others but that does not mean I need to break the law.

    I could take advantage of weaker people but I do not do so. Not because of the law of the land or any absolute morality “god inspired” rules. I do not do so because of my own evolved and well understood code of ethics. If anyone ever tries to enforce their moral code upon me then they better have a big police force as I live my life according to my own standards and my own rules. Neither the church nor the state informs me how to behave. I do as I wish.


    It comes down to the two main kinds of love offered by God….

    Simon, this sounds like you talking as if the Christian god actually exists rather than reporting what theists believe. Gods do not exist so “he” cannot offer anyone any kind of love. It might make theists feel all warm and fluffy to believe the Creator of the Universe loves and values them. However it is a delusion. Therefore developing a code of morality from what someone believes the Creator of the Universe would approve of is bunk.

    Morality needs a policeman”

    Only if ones moral code is written in stone and considered to be absolute. The only people who think like that also think they are being constantly watched by the all-seeing eye in the cosmic sky. When Christians ask me “What is stopping you from committing murder if you don’t believe in (their) god” I am glad they have a moral policeman. They only prove how immature and unconsidered their standards are by asking such a dumb question. If their belief in a god stops them from murdering people, then please keep believing.

    Unfortunately as shown one again in our old stomping ground in Borough Market, it also takes a belief in god to commit murder so easily. To quote Voltaire “Those that can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities”. It is the self-appointed policemen that do this.

    Morality does not need policemen. It needs teachers and informed conversations about it. A proper education on Evolution and Critical Thinking will allow us to become much more ethical people.

    Victor Hugo — ‘There is in every village a torch – the teacher; and an extinguisher – the priest.’


    I was getting a bit jaded towards the end of a solo 10k last thanksgiving weekend. This song (who Jimi said was a better guitarist!) just started on my Walkman and half way through blended with the band of Harley’s that breezed past me and parked up here. I covered the last mile planning another move to another country.


    “At least in Christianity, in the idea of God and through Jesus, there’s the idea that each individual is valuable and loved by God”

    How can the idea of feeling valued and loved by a non-existent god offer anything of substantive value? At best it is an attempt force people to behave in certain ways. It is based upon the reward and punishment system of Heaven and Hell. Even introducing the “naughty step” concept to small children, which might compel them to think about the outcome of their actions is of more use.

    The idea of “men dominating women” was not always the case. These ideas permeated into societies because most governments were religiously dominated by kings appointed by gods and religion was and still is, a useful tool for controlling large groups of people. In recent times religions have begun to move towards the concept of equality but this was not inspired within their own organisations. It was driving by having to accept the ideas of modern ethics formulated by Humanist and non-religious movements.

    Now I hear churches, most still entirely male dominated, talk about the concepts of equality that they were forced to adapt in order to survive as if it was all their idea. This happened without people feeling valued and loved by a god that does not exist.


    Your very welcome Noel. It’s funny the way theists try to create even more gaps to fit their god into. Which sound better, a fender or a Harley?


    Well done. I kept my “Science Dog” pic as I look so handsome, don’t ya’ think?

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