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There is not a whole lot of thriving going on in Southern Sudan or Somalia…and these places, are a whole lot more similar to human history than ours is.
I’ve never said that everybody thrives, I’ve always said that everybody wants to thrive.
Their goal is to simple survive. They only understand the pressure to survive another day and give little thought to thriving.
I am sure they also want to thrive.
When someone’s back is up against the wall, small things take on a great meaning.
Who do you want to matter to? Why do you want to matter? Why do you feel your life ought to have meaning? Where does the desire for meaning come from?
This a good question: do we need meaning, and if so, why?
We naturally matter to ourselves, and most of us need to matter to others too. Because humans are so heavily into…[Read more]
an external arbiter outside of any human being
There’s also this: the pressure to thrive and survive, common to all living things. Along with cooperation, this was Jesus’ main message in my opinion. Simples.
The author of the article, John Ellis, says this:
The reality is that if the universe is impersonal, then morality is socially constructed with no basis in objectivity.
It depends what you mean by “objective”. I presume that the Christian definition, or Ellis’ definition at least, is having an external arbiter outside of any human being. For a…[Read more]
The article makes a number of points in itself.
Without a transcendent Being that has authority, no one can rightfully claim that it’s wrong to do anything. Without the existence of a God, I am free to do whatever I want.
The point here is, I think, who keeps people in line without God? The answer is, each other. You’re free to do whatever you w…[Read more]
“Does this apologist really destroy atheism in one tweet?”
– there’s a lot here to answer, and a lot to say. I’ll take Dr Salviander’s points in the initial tweet:
2. However, also start with Christian morality
We start with a Western morality, if that is what she means.
3. Remove the bits you personally don’t like
I think it’s fair enough to do…[Read more]
Simon Paynton replied to the topic Why must disney hire a gay actor for the first major gay role? in the forum Humanism 2 days, 13 hours ago
Sounds very sensible, Kara.
Existence can go from solid to abstract, or solid to imagination, but not the other way round. That’s why the argument is invalid.
5. Thus, if God exists in the mind as an idea, then God necessarily exists in reality.
This statement is impossible.
Anselm’s Ontological Argument
- By definition, God is a being than which none greater can be imagined.
- A being that necessarily exists in reality is greater than a being that does not necessarily exist.
- Thus, by definition, if God exists as an idea in the mind but does not necessarily exist in reality, then we can imagine something that is…
If you think about a human body, a person: it has its own logic. The body seeks comfort and pleasure, and avoids discomfort and pain – in the short or long term. The body has various needs and goals, etc, you can say that the body is a survival machine.
So, living beings follow a logic. This is close to evolutionary logic: the requirement to…[Read more]
God would not have to have a “real” existence in the sense that we ourselves understand “real”
All I’m saying is, we know there are multiple kinds of existence (e.g. physical, abstract, in thought or imagination).
I can define some mysterious being in such a way
We know at least that a God is the creator of the universe. That is a necessary part of the definition of a monotheistic god.
People who are moral realists say that the laws of morality (“it is wrong to murder” etc.) are a part of the fabric of the physical universe. On the one hand, this appears ludicrous. On the other, if morality is evolutionary in nature (i.e. in logic), which it is, then evolution is situated within the fabric of the physical universe. Th…[Read more]
Would God have to have a logic of His own – to be internally consistent? Or would God exist beyond of any logic?
Existence necessarily implies reality, and reality is logical. But since in what sense does logic exist? As the laws of logic? As an arrangements of logical entities and the relationships between them?
My point is, God would not…[Read more]
Is it possible that in other universes, the laws of logic are different? Does everything have to have logic? I am sure that the quantum world has a logic of its own. Morality certainly does.
so flimsy as to be laughable
But what exactly does Gödel imagine the being of God is like? We can imagine that there is a being who is most moral/ethical, most knowing, most powerful, most this, most that, etc., but so what? This doesn’t mean that a being actually exists, ever has done, or ever will, that possesses all of…[Read more]
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