Simon Paynton

  • relying on norms to govern behaviour has some questionable utility. I am sure there are cases where it is valuable, but I can also point to cases where it is causing harm. I would suggest that erring on the side of caution would be to rely on such norms as sparingly as possible, or at the very least to invest more in keeping…

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  • But when it’s being posed as an ethical hypothetical, I do think it is important to not pander to normative values too much.

    But what if it’s a potential reality?  There would be no transgressive benefit in having a picnic on someone’s grave, it wouldn’t benefit anybody, except that the people having the picnic would have a ni…[Read more]

  • The point of the article is that. as you say, religious and non-religious people process incongruent information, under experimental conditions, in the same way (the Stroop test).

    Furthermore, it may be (in fact, it seems very likely), that the kinds of cognitive conflicts elicited by the Stroop test differ greatly in nature and severity to those…

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  • lol

  • I wouldn’t sit on somebody’s tomb and have a picnic, unless it was about 2000 years old.

  • others hold us to account.

    Collaborative partners hold each other to account because they are each taking a risk by depending on the others.  We take this claim on us to be legitimate.  But I can’t quite figure out why each partner would see the claims of the other partners upon them to perform well, as legitimate.

    Maybe i…[Read more]

  • Michael Tomasello says that we follow rules and ideals because we approve of them – we feel they are legitimate, so why would we not try and follow them?

    I think it’s all about the collective self-regulation of the group, whereby we carry out our responsibilities for the good of others and ourselves.  At the same time, othes hold us to account.

  • Simon Paynton posted a new activity comment 1 week, 5 days ago

    But if we assume that love has its own logic – then it’s possible to contradict it, with greed or anger. It’s negatable. If there was something useful about white supremacism, then I would be forced to recognise it.
    • Simon Paynton posted a new activity comment 1 week, 5 days ago

      You could say there are two kinds of truth: truth as utility, and truth as reality. These were at the heart of the debate between Jordan Peterson and Sam Harris. JP…

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        • I could not say there are two kinds of truth. Truth is not aesthetic unlike the designed lie which is aka religion.

          Taken as a whole any passages in the bible that are advocating peace and love are negated by a tenor that is all about power, maintaining an unjust social hierarchy and the contemporary mores which are a little awful…

          • Simon, if you create a second realm of truth to suit whatever world-view you like then that becomes relatively free of being challenged and free of negation. It may seem…

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            • But if we assume that love has its own logic – then it’s possible to contradict it, with greed or anger. It’s negatable. If there was something useful about white supremacism, then I would be forced to recognise it.
            • Simon Paynton posted a new activity comment 1 week, 5 days ago

              Love has a logic of its own. That’s not an abdication of reason.
                • Simon what is the nexus between Craig and love? As i see it being an active apologist and gearing one’s efforts toward perpetuating Christianity is not love.
                  • You could say there are two kinds of truth: truth as utility, and truth as reality. These were at the heart of the debate between Jordan Peterson and Sam Harris. JP…

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                      • I could not say there are two kinds of truth. Truth is not aesthetic unlike the designed lie which is aka religion.

                        Taken as a whole any passages in the bible that are advocating peace and love are negated by a tenor that is all about power, maintaining an unjust social hierarchy and the contemporary mores which are a little awful…

                        • Simon, if you create a second realm of truth to suit whatever world-view you like then that becomes relatively free of being challenged and free of negation. It may seem…

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                          • But if we assume that love has its own logic – then it’s possible to contradict it, with greed or anger. It’s negatable. If there was something useful about white supremacism, then I would be forced to recognise it.
                        • Simon Paynton posted a new activity comment 1 week, 5 days ago

                          But in a way, the two are separate domains, so it’s hard to see how they could contradict. Compassion has to take hard facts into account.
                            • Craig posits dogma and does his utmost to reconcile science with mythology. He utilizes the same words and phrases repeatedly in a manner similar to a fortune teller so…

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                                • Love has a logic of its own. That’s not an abdication of reason.
                                    • Simon what is the nexus between Craig and love? As i see it being an active apologist and gearing one’s efforts toward perpetuating Christianity is not love.
                                      • You could say there are two kinds of truth: truth as utility, and truth as reality. These were at the heart of the debate between Jordan Peterson and Sam Harris. JP…

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                                          • I could not say there are two kinds of truth. Truth is not aesthetic unlike the designed lie which is aka religion.

                                            Taken as a whole any passages in the bible that are advocating peace and love are negated by a tenor that is all about power, maintaining an unjust social hierarchy and the contemporary mores which are a little awful…

                                            • Simon, if you create a second realm of truth to suit whatever world-view you like then that becomes relatively free of being challenged and free of negation. It may seem…

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                                              • But if we assume that love has its own logic – then it’s possible to contradict it, with greed or anger. It’s negatable. If there was something useful about white supremacism, then I would be forced to recognise it.
                                        • Simon Paynton posted a new activity comment 1 week, 5 days ago

                                          That may seem off, to us rationalists, but I think he’s talking about the difference between the logic of love or compassion, and the logic of the physical universe.
                                          • Simon Paynton posted a new activity comment 1 week, 6 days ago

                                            I like William Lane Craig. In what way do you think he lacks integrity? He’s just got his ideas and he sticks to them. But he’s also very analytical. I’ve never felt he lacks integrity.
                                            • To me it’s a good catch-all term that I don’t regularly use.  There are a lot of things greater than ourselves that we connect to: for example, social groups of some kind, and that old favourite, the biological pressure to thrive, survive and reproduce, and of course, these two are connected, because humans thrive and survive collectively.

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                                            • finding spiritualism without employing magical thinking

                                              For me, spirituality is about two things:  1) personal well-being, especially long term; 2) connecting with something bigger than myself.

                                              It’s not spooky at all.  But if you think about it, when religious people talk about spirituality, they’re invoking these t…[Read more]

                                            • What is a minimally good life

                                              What indeed?  Is it a life with “minimal goods”?  Minimal for what?  Minimal happiness?  Is a minimally happy life good enough?  It’s better than a wasted life I guess.

                                            • What is a minimally good life and are you prepared to live it?

                                              What is that?  Surely a minimally good life, since it is not wasted, is a great life.

                                            • There’s the fearlessness of the cornered animal.  There’s also courage, which isn’t necessarily the same as fearlessness.

                                            • Simon Paynton posted a new activity comment 1 month ago

                                              He might steal all my best ideas now. That’s scary. He should get together with me instead of doing that.
                                              • Simon Paynton posted an update 1 month ago

                                                “Any organism subject to natural selection will by necessity have this drive to survive and flourish and thus it is part of our nature.” – Michael Shermer.

                                                I see that my idea has caught on at last:
                                                https://henrycenter.tiu.edu/2021/03/can-science-discover-moral-truths/

                                                • He might steal all my best ideas now. That’s scary. He should get together with me instead of doing that.
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