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  • Unseen replied to the topic Confederate Symbols in the forum Politics 3 days, 10 hours ago

    Somebody commented to me that they thought instead of removing the confederate statues, the US should teach history in schools. (Because that really gets emotions going). I had to reply that the toppling of these statues IS teaching history in a way that schools never did, inasmuch as we are all becoming aware of the historical…

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  • Unseen replied to the topic Confederate Symbols in the forum Politics 3 days, 14 hours ago

    @unseen – the objectivity and moral realism we think we have, are an illusion. “True” objectivity in a mathematical sense doesn’t exist for morality – or if it does, it’s irrelevant. The way in which it does exist is that the conditions that give rise to human morality are eternal (at least, for the duration of the human f…

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  • Unseen replied to the topic Confederate Symbols in the forum Politics 4 days, 7 hours ago

    Probably the grist for an entire standalone discussion but is slavery actually wrong in an objective way? or do we simply feel revulsion toward it, making our attitude subjective? Is it that we don’t want a society to include slavery? or is it that no one has a right to enslave, which begs the question of where r…

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  • Unseen replied to the topic Confederate Symbols in the forum Politics 4 days, 10 hours ago

    Simon: “Norms” as generally used in the social “sciences” is subjective and really can’t be anything else. You can describe them in an objective way but that would still be an objective description of something which is a matter of consensus or legislation. And anything which is by consensus or the result of a legislative process cannot be held to…[Read more]

  • Unseen replied to the topic Confederate Symbols in the forum Politics 4 days, 13 hours ago

    Probably the grist for an entire standalone discussion but is slavery actually wrong in an objective way? or do we simply feel revulsion toward it, making our attitude subjective? Is it that we don’t want a society to include slavery? or is it that no one has a right to enslave, which begs the question of where rights come from and can they be…[Read more]

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  • Unseen replied to the topic Confederate Symbols in the forum Politics 5 days, 13 hours ago

    Here’s an interesting thought problem:

    Let’s suppose our nation’s Founding Fathers had been alive at the time of the Civil War, would George Washington have been a Confederate general? Would Thomas Jefferson have given up his slaves and joined the North?

    It’s not a comfortable question to ask, but I think our Founding Fathers, by and large,…[Read more]

  • I’m not sure what’s going on here.

    The guy on the left is getting ready to take dump. The guy on the right is yelling “Look! A grouse!”

  • Unseen replied to the topic Group logo of Sunday SchoolSunday School 28th June 2020 in the forum Sunday School 1 week ago

    The 5th topic with this link. I am all in favor of preserving religious art. It has its place with its links to our history. I sometimes visit churches to appreciate the stained glass windows. I even like some choral and pastoral music. Not for the lyrics of course but for the sound of the human voice.

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  • Unseen replied to the topic Group logo of Sunday SchoolSunday School 28th June 2020 in the forum Sunday School 1 week ago

    Those botched church art restorations are hilarious. Perhaps the body of graphic art talent has shifted into digital mediums, leaving paint and canvas expertise in the dust. Why does not the lord softly guide the hand of the restorer? Biblically he is very concerned about his image.

    Was there a link to church art restorations in…[Read more]

  • Unseen replied to the topic Confederate Symbols in the forum Politics 1 week, 3 days ago

    I have read that the Greeks kept slaves almost as an act of generosity and kindness. It was an alternative to killing the defeated and captured enemy. If you just let them go, you might have to fight them again at some time in the future. When I say “Greeks,” maybe I mean Athenians. Slaves often became almost family members, entrusted with money…[Read more]

  • Unseen replied to the topic Group logo of Sunday SchoolSunday School June 21st 2020 in the forum Sunday School 2 weeks ago

    Yeah, I understand that. I was recently asked by a Christian client (a Zoom call) if I felt I had overreacted to the “whole virus thing” and wondered “now that we have beaten the pandemic” why I was not making more regular site visits yet!!

    I had to remind myself that you’re not here in the United States where w…[Read more]

  • Unseen replied to the topic Confederate Symbols in the forum Politics 2 weeks, 1 day ago

    It has been estimated that the members and ministers of the Orthodox churches in the South owned no less than 660,000 slaves.

    What? Here in the United States when you invoke “Orthodox Churches,” you mean Eastern Orthodox or Asian Orthodox churches pretty much, as distinguished from the Roman Catholic Church.

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  • Unseen replied to the topic Confederate Symbols in the forum Politics 2 weeks, 1 day ago

    Slavery is the country’s original sin.

    Amazing how deep rooted biblical nonsense is rooted even amongst atheists. Just yesterday I slipped out a “thank god”

    I meant it in a literal, not religious sense, of course.

  • Unseen replied to the topic Confederate Symbols in the forum Politics 2 weeks, 1 day ago

    Indigenous Americans may feel a little overlooked in that assessment, Unseen.

    That, too.

    But it makes me ponder the issue of moral relativism. Do we forgive the contemporaries of the age on the basis of being the same as every other asshole?

    It’s not like nobody was pointing out the inhumanity of slavery at the time.

  • Unseen replied to the topic Confederate Symbols in the forum Politics 2 weeks, 2 days ago

    Slavery is the country’s original sin. We lionize the Founding Fathers and don’t think about the fact that while they could have gotten behind the plow and worked the land like real farmers, instead they bought and sold kidnap victims so that they could live like the wealthy English industrial barons.

    Thomas Jefferson actually sexually abused one…[Read more]

  • Simon it baffles my mind how you won’t read a single book about a topic you discuss so much. I’m with unseen. I’m done discussing this with you.

    He should enroll in Philosophy 101 somewhere. The more apt students will eat him alive.

  • Forgive me for giving up on the usual quotation structure and using a you said and I say sort of approach. Additionally, I think I’m done with this discussion.

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    a principle that is so widely held that everyone agrees it must always be followed. (I can’t think of one, but just for the sake of argument…) Does it follow ipso facto tha…[Read more]

  • I’m not saying that the study proves universal principles, but it has found some good candidates.

    It also comes down to the question, how many people have to agree with a principle to make it a principle?  Anti-social people believe they can take what they want from others.  Does that make anti-social behaviour an ethical pri…

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  • Unseen wrote: Any further “studies” would be superfluous and gratuitous. It’s been established factually that different societies have different moral codes. I’m not the one making an extraordinary claim here. “Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.”

    That’s a simplistic cop-out.

    Who is promoting simplistic id…[Read more]

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