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				<title>PopeBeanie replied to the topic ChatGPT (2022 to ?) in the forum Artificial Intelligence</title>
				<link>https://atheistzone.com/groups/artificial-intelligence/forum/topic/chatgpt-version-gpt-3/#post-59998</link>
				<pubDate>Sat, 28 Feb 2026 06:28:44 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hegseth is pissed off that Anthropic has refused to hand over ChatGPT technology to the Pentagon. A bit over 1 minute:</p>
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<p>What could possibly go wrong with trusting Pete with it, right?</p>
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<p>[Moderator note: I changed the name of this topic from &#8220;ChatGPT 2022/2023&#8221; to &#8220;ChatGPT 2022 to ?&#8221;]</p>
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				<title>Reg the Fronkey Farmer replied to the topic Links to AI topics/posts outside this group in the forum Artificial Intelligence</title>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2026 00:47:06 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The link works. I have a full NYT sub so can share 10 stories per month. I was on the phone with a friend in Zaporizhzhia a few nights ago. We had drones and gunfire for <a href="https://www.euronews.com/2026/01/02/russia-launches-one-of-its-largest-drone-attacks-on-ukraines-zaporizhzhia" rel="noopener noreferrer" rel="nofollow ugc">almost</a> all of the call.</p>
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				<title>PopeBeanie replied to the topic Links to AI topics/posts outside this group in the forum Artificial Intelligence</title>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jan 2026 23:55:08 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reg dropped a link to an awesomely informative NYT article about AI advancement in drones supplied to or made by Ukraine. I got so immersed in it I lost track of time. Microsoft&#8217;s CoPilot gave me a summary of quotes from it. See it below the link. CoPilot also estimated a reading time of 20 minutes, but it felt more like an hour-long&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-47739"><a href="https://atheistzone.com/groups/artificial-intelligence/forum/topic/links-to-ai-topic-outside-this-group/#post-59576" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>PopeBeanie replied to the topic Extra-Geeky Chat/Conversations in the forum Artificial Intelligence</title>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 21 Dec 2025 00:19:42 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I keep hearing about where AI is weak, and that&#8217;s ok. It&#8217;s often true. But many in society typically prefer to just leave it at that, ignoring that AI is at least good at: Summarizing the words and conclusions of everything published on the internet. For better, and for worse, of course, but I love delving into topics that would take ten or a&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-47640"><a href="https://atheistzone.com/groups/artificial-intelligence/forum/topic/extra-geeky-chat-conversations/#post-59464" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>PopeBeanie posted an update in the group Artificial Intelligence: I once asked ChatGPT to tell me about the history of the [&#133;]</title>
				<link>https://atheistzone.com/activity/p/46868/</link>
				<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2025 19:58:53 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I once asked ChatGPT to tell me about the history of the rhythm &#8220;Oom, Pah Oom-Pah, Oom, Pah Oom-Pah&#8221;, and it actually knew immediately and exactly what I was asking about! And it jumped right into citing a bunch of musical history on that pop Latin rhythm.<br />
Just as it once responded with some reasonable conclusions after I asked it to explain&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-46868"><a href="https://atheistzone.com/activity/p/46868/" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>But Ler replied to the topic AI Content Creation in the forum Artificial Intelligence</title>
				<link>https://atheistzone.com/groups/artificial-intelligence/forum/topic/ai-content-creation/#post-58267</link>
				<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2025 02:03:28 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>if i, pb, edit but ler&#8217;s post&#8230; it still doesn&#8217;t accept it as html:</p>
<p>&lt;iframe width=&#8221;484&#8243; height=&#8221;861&#8243; src=&#8221;https://www.youtube.com/embed/0hHscSOrv7Q&#8221; title=&#8221;You have shown a flaw2.&#8221; frameborder=&#8221;0&#8243; allow=&#8221;accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share&#8221;&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-46570"><a href="https://atheistzone.com/groups/artificial-intelligence/forum/topic/ai-content-creation/#post-58267" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>But Ler started the topic AI Content Creation in the forum Artificial Intelligence</title>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jul 2025 20:51:46 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(PB here. See below. This topic should be about AI Content Creation, but this post is a kind of arcane starting post. Subsequent posts to this topic will probably be more relevant to more readers.)</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s an inside baseball video for youtube creators on youtube&#8217;s evolving policy on restricting some types of AI generated content&#8230; especially the&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-46490"><a href="https://atheistzone.com/groups/artificial-intelligence/forum/topic/ai-content-creation/" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>But Ler joined the group Artificial Intelligence</title>
				<link>https://atheistzone.com/activity/p/46489/</link>
				<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jul 2025 20:35:11 +0000</pubDate>

				
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				<title>_Robert_ replied to the topic Arcane or Irrelevant Topic? On Free Will, Determinism, and Quantum Physics in the forum Artificial Intelligence</title>
				<link>https://atheistzone.com/groups/artificial-intelligence/forum/topic/arcane-or-irrelevant-topic-on-free-will-determinism-and-quantum-physics/page/5/#post-55735</link>
				<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jan 2025 03:43:57 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Time will tell if AI can &#8220;be happy&#8221;. Right now, I would say that is only in the realm of biologics as the brain releases hormones. We are electro-chemical machines. Sure, it can be simulated in silicon and maybe even fool us.</p>
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				<title>_Robert_ replied to the topic Arcane or Irrelevant Topic? On Free Will, Determinism, and Quantum Physics in the forum Artificial Intelligence</title>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jan 2025 03:39:02 +0000</pubDate>

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<a href="https://atheistzone.com/groups/artificial-intelligence/forum/topic/arcane-or-irrelevant-topic-on-free-will-determinism-and-quantum-physics/page/5/#post-55733" rel="nofollow ugc">Unseen wrote:</a></p>
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<a href="https://atheistzone.com/groups/artificial-intelligence/forum/topic/arcane-or-irrelevant-topic-on-free-will-determinism-and-quantum-physics/page/4/#post-55729" rel="nofollow ugc">_Robert_ wrote:</a><br />
I disagree. One can go from happiness to being distraught in a millisecond, without the state of things changing at all.</p></blockquote>
<p>A state of being is not a “state of things.” It’s about how one IS. At one moment being happy and a millisecond later of being distraught. A state of being describes ones state at a parti&hellip;</p></blockquote>
<p><span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-44294"><a href="https://atheistzone.com/groups/artificial-intelligence/forum/topic/arcane-or-irrelevant-topic-on-free-will-determinism-and-quantum-physics/page/5/#post-55734" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>Unseen replied to the topic Arcane or Irrelevant Topic? On Free Will, Determinism, and Quantum Physics in the forum Artificial Intelligence</title>
				<link>https://atheistzone.com/groups/artificial-intelligence/forum/topic/arcane-or-irrelevant-topic-on-free-will-determinism-and-quantum-physics/page/5/#post-55733</link>
				<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jan 2025 02:13:38 +0000</pubDate>

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<a href="https://atheistzone.com/groups/artificial-intelligence/forum/topic/arcane-or-irrelevant-topic-on-free-will-determinism-and-quantum-physics/page/4/#post-55729" rel="nofollow ugc">_Robert_ wrote:</a><br />
I disagree. One can go from happiness to being distraught in a millisecond, without the state of things changing at all.</p></blockquote>
<p>A state of being is not a &#8220;state of things.&#8221; It&#8217;s about how one IS. At one moment being happy and a millisecond later of being distraught. A state of being describes ones state at a particular time, which can&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-44293"><a href="https://atheistzone.com/groups/artificial-intelligence/forum/topic/arcane-or-irrelevant-topic-on-free-will-determinism-and-quantum-physics/page/5/#post-55733" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>_Robert_ replied to the topic Arcane or Irrelevant Topic? On Free Will, Determinism, and Quantum Physics in the forum Artificial Intelligence</title>
				<link>https://atheistzone.com/groups/artificial-intelligence/forum/topic/arcane-or-irrelevant-topic-on-free-will-determinism-and-quantum-physics/page/4/#post-55732</link>
				<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jan 2025 22:24:32 +0000</pubDate>

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<a href="https://atheistzone.com/groups/artificial-intelligence/forum/topic/arcane-or-irrelevant-topic-on-free-will-determinism-and-quantum-physics/page/4/#post-55731" rel="nofollow ugc">Simon Paynton wrote:</a></p>
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<a href="https://atheistzone.com/groups/artificial-intelligence/forum/topic/arcane-or-irrelevant-topic-on-free-will-determinism-and-quantum-physics/page/4/#post-55729" rel="nofollow ugc">_Robert_ wrote:</a><br />
I disagree. One can go from happiness to being distraught in a millisecond, without the state of things changing at all.</p></blockquote>
<p>Maybe you can call it a mood.</p></blockquote>
<p>Sure, the main point being that a deterministic, rational, but emotionless human existence is probably subpar.</p>
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				<title>Simon Paynton replied to the topic Arcane or Irrelevant Topic? On Free Will, Determinism, and Quantum Physics in the forum Artificial Intelligence</title>
				<link>https://atheistzone.com/groups/artificial-intelligence/forum/topic/arcane-or-irrelevant-topic-on-free-will-determinism-and-quantum-physics/page/4/#post-55731</link>
				<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jan 2025 21:58:08 +0000</pubDate>

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<a href="https://atheistzone.com/groups/artificial-intelligence/forum/topic/arcane-or-irrelevant-topic-on-free-will-determinism-and-quantum-physics/page/4/#post-55729" rel="nofollow ugc">_Robert_ wrote:</a><br />
I disagree. One can go from happiness to being distraught in a millisecond, without the state of things changing at all.</p></blockquote>
<p>Maybe you can call it a mood.</p>
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				<title>_Robert_ replied to the topic Arcane or Irrelevant Topic? On Free Will, Determinism, and Quantum Physics in the forum Artificial Intelligence</title>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jan 2025 21:28:49 +0000</pubDate>

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<a href="https://atheistzone.com/groups/artificial-intelligence/forum/topic/arcane-or-irrelevant-topic-on-free-will-determinism-and-quantum-physics/page/4/#post-55728" rel="nofollow ugc">Simon Paynton wrote:</a></p>
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<a href="https://atheistzone.com/groups/artificial-intelligence/forum/topic/arcane-or-irrelevant-topic-on-free-will-determinism-and-quantum-physics/page/4/#post-55718" rel="nofollow ugc">_Robert_ wrote:</a><br />
Yeah, and this is also why some say we need a god…watching, looking, keeping score.</p></blockquote>
<p>We’re all monitored and evaluated the entire time, by ourselves and everybody who knows us. There’s a big eye watching us all the time, and it’s called the human race.</p></blockquote>
<p>Yes, but the level of detail varies widely, and the wat&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-44290"><a href="https://atheistzone.com/groups/artificial-intelligence/forum/topic/arcane-or-irrelevant-topic-on-free-will-determinism-and-quantum-physics/page/4/#post-55730" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>_Robert_ replied to the topic Arcane or Irrelevant Topic? On Free Will, Determinism, and Quantum Physics in the forum Artificial Intelligence</title>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jan 2025 21:24:54 +0000</pubDate>

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<a href="https://atheistzone.com/groups/artificial-intelligence/forum/topic/arcane-or-irrelevant-topic-on-free-will-determinism-and-quantum-physics/page/4/#post-55722" rel="nofollow ugc">Unseen wrote:</a></p>
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<a href="https://atheistzone.com/groups/artificial-intelligence/forum/topic/arcane-or-irrelevant-topic-on-free-will-determinism-and-quantum-physics/page/4/#post-55719" rel="nofollow ugc">_Robert_ wrote:</a><br />
Happiness is an emotion, after all.</p></blockquote>
<p>Happiness is not an emotion. Properly categorized, it’s a state of being.</p></blockquote>
<p>I disagree. One can go from happiness to being distraught in a millisecond, without the state of things changing at all.</p>
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				<title>Simon Paynton replied to the topic Arcane or Irrelevant Topic? On Free Will, Determinism, and Quantum Physics in the forum Artificial Intelligence</title>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jan 2025 19:02:34 +0000</pubDate>

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<a href="https://atheistzone.com/groups/artificial-intelligence/forum/topic/arcane-or-irrelevant-topic-on-free-will-determinism-and-quantum-physics/page/4/#post-55718" rel="nofollow ugc">_Robert_ wrote:</a><br />
Yeah, and this is also why some say we need a god…watching, looking, keeping score.</p></blockquote>
<p>We&#8217;re all monitored and evaluated the entire time, by ourselves and everybody who knows us.  There&#8217;s a big eye watching us all the time, and it&#8217;s called the human race.</p>
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				<title>Unseen replied to the topic Arcane or Irrelevant Topic? On Free Will, Determinism, and Quantum Physics in the forum Artificial Intelligence</title>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jan 2025 00:47:04 +0000</pubDate>

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<a href="https://atheistzone.com/groups/artificial-intelligence/forum/topic/arcane-or-irrelevant-topic-on-free-will-determinism-and-quantum-physics/page/4/#post-55719" rel="nofollow ugc">_Robert_ wrote:</a><br />
Happiness is an emotion, after all.</p></blockquote>
<p>Happiness is not an emotion. Properly categorized, it&#8217;s a state of being.</p>
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				<title>_Robert_ replied to the topic Arcane or Irrelevant Topic? On Free Will, Determinism, and Quantum Physics in the forum Artificial Intelligence</title>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jan 2025 14:16:13 +0000</pubDate>

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<a href="https://atheistzone.com/groups/artificial-intelligence/forum/topic/arcane-or-irrelevant-topic-on-free-will-determinism-and-quantum-physics/page/4/#post-55709" rel="nofollow ugc">Unseen wrote:</a></p>
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<a href="https://atheistzone.com/groups/artificial-intelligence/forum/topic/arcane-or-irrelevant-topic-on-free-will-determinism-and-quantum-physics/page/4/#post-55706" rel="nofollow ugc">_Robert_ wrote:</a><br />
I agree emotions do play a role in morality because we are not Vulcans.</p></blockquote>
<p>A belief in determinism helps one to leave emotion out of decisions because a determinist isn’t thinking in terms of praise and blame. His behavior will be more in terms of fixing things.</p></blockquote>
<p>Not sure even the hardest determinist can manage to be e&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-44279"><a href="https://atheistzone.com/groups/artificial-intelligence/forum/topic/arcane-or-irrelevant-topic-on-free-will-determinism-and-quantum-physics/page/4/#post-55719" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>_Robert_ replied to the topic Arcane or Irrelevant Topic? On Free Will, Determinism, and Quantum Physics in the forum Artificial Intelligence</title>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jan 2025 14:14:02 +0000</pubDate>

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<a href="https://atheistzone.com/groups/artificial-intelligence/forum/topic/arcane-or-irrelevant-topic-on-free-will-determinism-and-quantum-physics/page/4/#post-55708" rel="nofollow ugc">Simon Paynton wrote:</a></p>
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<a href="https://atheistzone.com/groups/artificial-intelligence/forum/topic/arcane-or-irrelevant-topic-on-free-will-determinism-and-quantum-physics/page/4/#post-55706" rel="nofollow ugc">_Robert_ wrote:</a><br />
however for those who only make good choices for recognition or some other form of payback you might say the ends justify the means. It is still weak morality, IMHO.</p></blockquote>
<p>Some people say that something good done for its own sake is the only kind of real virtue.</p></blockquote>
<p>Yeah, and this is also why some say we need a&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-44278"><a href="https://atheistzone.com/groups/artificial-intelligence/forum/topic/arcane-or-irrelevant-topic-on-free-will-determinism-and-quantum-physics/page/4/#post-55718" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>Unseen replied to the topic Arcane or Irrelevant Topic? On Free Will, Determinism, and Quantum Physics in the forum Artificial Intelligence</title>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jan 2025 16:34:12 +0000</pubDate>

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<a href="https://atheistzone.com/groups/artificial-intelligence/forum/topic/arcane-or-irrelevant-topic-on-free-will-determinism-and-quantum-physics/page/4/#post-55706" rel="nofollow ugc">_Robert_ wrote:</a><br />
I agree emotions do play a role in morality because we are not Vulcans.</p></blockquote>
<p>A belief in determinism helps one to leave emotion out of decisions because a determinist isn&#8217;t thinking in terms of praise and blame. His behavior will be more in terms of fixing things.</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jan 2025 08:51:13 +0000</pubDate>

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however for those who only make good choices for recognition or some other form of payback you might say the ends justify the means. It is still weak morality, IMHO.</p></blockquote>
<p>Some people say that something good done for its own sake is the only kind of real virtue.</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jan 2025 03:58:33 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree emotions do play a role in morality because we are not Vulcans. Much of the time suppression of emotions leads to the best moral decisions, however for those who only make good choices for recognition or some other form of payback you might say the ends justify the means. It is still weak morality, IMHO.</p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jan 2025 21:12:22 +0000</pubDate>

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<a href="https://atheistzone.com/groups/artificial-intelligence/forum/topic/arcane-or-irrelevant-topic-on-free-will-determinism-and-quantum-physics/page/4/#post-55698" rel="nofollow ugc">Simon Paynton wrote:</a><br />
I think the task is to come up with alternatives to utilitarianism, consequentialism etc., which are an intuitive way in but don’t actually really go anywhere in the real world. A good alternative is morality as collaboration – both what happens within the collaboration, and its goal, are subjects for morality.</p></blockquote>
<p>What is nee&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-44259"><a href="https://atheistzone.com/groups/artificial-intelligence/forum/topic/arcane-or-irrelevant-topic-on-free-will-determinism-and-quantum-physics/page/4/#post-55703" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jan 2025 20:36:53 +0000</pubDate>

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<a href="https://atheistzone.com/groups/artificial-intelligence/forum/topic/arcane-or-irrelevant-topic-on-free-will-determinism-and-quantum-physics/page/4/#post-55701" rel="nofollow ugc">Reg the Fronkey Farmer wrote:</a><br />
&#8230;We need emotions and consequences to govern us morally. Rationality can guide us up some weird paths……</p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p>I would suggest the converse of that is true.</p></blockquote>
<p>All three together is ideal.</p>
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									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>.<em>..We need emotions and consequences to govern us morally. Rationality can guide us up some weird paths&#8230;&#8230;</em></p>
<p>I would suggest the converse of that is true.</p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jan 2025 17:18:12 +0000</pubDate>

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<a href="https://atheistzone.com/groups/artificial-intelligence/forum/topic/arcane-or-irrelevant-topic-on-free-will-determinism-and-quantum-physics/page/3/#post-55696" rel="nofollow ugc">Reg the Fronkey Farmer wrote:</a><br />
The Categorical Imperative could be considered a foundational principle of morality. It is grounded in the belief that moral actions must be guided by rationality and universalizable principles, rather than emotions or consequences. I don’t really see what it wrong with that.</p></blockquote>
<p>That sounds good, but there&#8217;s a lot w&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-44254"><a href="https://atheistzone.com/groups/artificial-intelligence/forum/topic/arcane-or-irrelevant-topic-on-free-will-determinism-and-quantum-physics/page/4/#post-55698" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jan 2025 14:28:52 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Categorical Imperative could be considered a foundational principle of morality. It is grounded in the belief that moral actions must be guided by rationality and universalizable principles, rather than emotions or consequences. I don’t really see what it wrong with that. It emphasizes the inherent dignity of every individual. Moral actions a&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-44253"><a href="https://atheistzone.com/groups/artificial-intelligence/forum/topic/arcane-or-irrelevant-topic-on-free-will-determinism-and-quantum-physics/page/3/#post-55696" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jan 2025 08:31:45 +0000</pubDate>

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<a href="https://atheistzone.com/groups/artificial-intelligence/forum/topic/arcane-or-irrelevant-topic-on-free-will-determinism-and-quantum-physics/page/3/#post-55676" rel="nofollow ugc">Reg the Fronkey Farmer wrote:</a><br />
Group Selection: Groups with cooperative, moral members tend to survive and thrive better, promoting the evolution of moral behavior.</p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p>Ethical Frameworks: Philosophical doctrines like Kant’s categorical imperative or utilitarianism guide moral actions through reasoned principles.</p></blockquote>
<p>These are flat-out wrong.  Beyond th&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-44250"><a href="https://atheistzone.com/groups/artificial-intelligence/forum/topic/arcane-or-irrelevant-topic-on-free-will-determinism-and-quantum-physics/page/3/#post-55695" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jan 2025 18:20:52 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An hour-long video created by AI and if one defines creativity in terms of giving you a plethora of gorgeous imagery you&#8217;ve never seen or imagined before, this AI is more creative than any human visual artist.</p>
<p>&#8220;But what does it mean? When human artists create art, it&#8217;s meaningful.&#8221; My reply is Jackson Pollock? Mondrian? Sometimes visual art is&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-44239"><a href="https://atheistzone.com/groups/artificial-intelligence/forum/topic/arcane-or-irrelevant-topic-on-free-will-determinism-and-quantum-physics/page/3/#post-55686" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jan 2025 11:32:49 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It reads like a machine&#8230;.because it is a machine. TBH, when I debate anything with it, I sometimes have to remind myself of that fact.</p>
<p>The basics of human morality are easy to understand and I think the presentation here is accurate. Yes, we can argue about individual cases and how different groups treat various scenarios but morality is&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-44234"><a href="https://atheistzone.com/groups/artificial-intelligence/forum/topic/arcane-or-irrelevant-topic-on-free-will-determinism-and-quantum-physics/page/3/#post-55682" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jan 2025 09:55:01 +0000</pubDate>

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<a href="https://atheistzone.com/groups/artificial-intelligence/forum/topic/arcane-or-irrelevant-topic-on-free-will-determinism-and-quantum-physics/page/3/#post-55676" rel="nofollow ugc">Reg the Fronkey Farmer wrote:</a><br />
Below are some key motivators:</p></blockquote>
<p>OK.  It has the stock answers down pat (kind of), but there&#8217;s nothing new or creative there.  It reads like a machine.</p>
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									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know. It pisses me off. I have asked it to stop and to not take any middle of the road opinions but it seems unable to remember to stop. It ok when my real life GF does &#x1f602;&#x1f602;</p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jan 2025 01:50:18 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You sure you aren&#8217;t using FlatteryGPT?</p>
<p>&#8220;What a fascinating way to think about black holes!&#8221; and &#8220;and I love that kind of creative rethinking&#8221;</p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jan 2025 00:09:03 +0000</pubDate>

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<p>The motivation for people’s sense of responsibility to comply with moral norms and behave morally arises from a complex interplay of psychological, social, and cultural factors. Below are some key motivators:</p>
<p><strong>1. Empathy and Compassion</strong></p>
<p>Innate Response: Humans are biologically wired for empathy, allowing them to feel the emotions of o&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-44227"><a href="https://atheistzone.com/groups/artificial-intelligence/forum/topic/arcane-or-irrelevant-topic-on-free-will-determinism-and-quantum-physics/page/3/#post-55676" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jan 2025 21:28:41 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can you try asking ChatGPT, what motivates people&#8217;s sense of responsibility to comply with moral norms and to behave in a moral fashion.</p>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jan 2025 20:01:55 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is where I am at with Chatgpt at the moment. My comment first:</p>
<p>The term ‘dark matter’ is a problem for me. I think “unobserved gravitational effects” might be a better term. This could be a gravitational anomaly caused by black holes.</p>
<p>Gravity (relational gravity) is not an independent Force. It is an emergent phenomenon arising from the int&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-44225"><a href="https://atheistzone.com/groups/artificial-intelligence/forum/topic/arcane-or-irrelevant-topic-on-free-will-determinism-and-quantum-physics/page/3/#post-55674" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The pseudoscience/apologist crowd always has so much to say about postulations in physics. If you gave them a simple quiz to calculate the weight of a 1 earth-pound brick sitting on the Martian surface, or magnetic field strength and direction created by a given energized coil for example, how many could do it? How many would even know where to start?</p>
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<a href="https://atheistzone.com/groups/artificial-intelligence/forum/topic/arcane-or-irrelevant-topic-on-free-will-determinism-and-quantum-physics/#post-55541" rel="nofollow ugc">Reg the Fronkey Farmer wrote:</a><br />
Me: “I don’t really adhere to the multiverse theories.”</p></blockquote>
<p>The video below goes into &#8220;gravity leaking between two or more braned universes&#8221; as a possible way to explain dark matter and/or dark energy. (Umm, I think?)</p>
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<a href="https://atheistzone.com/groups/artificial-intelligence/forum/topic/arcane-or-irrelevant-topic-on-free-will-determinism-and-quantum-physics/#post-55542" rel="nofollow ugc">PopeBeanie wrote:</a><br />
(It might even be a connection through a wormhole, but wtf do I know?!)</p></blockquote>
<p>I was wonde&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-44222"><a href="https://atheistzone.com/groups/artificial-intelligence/forum/topic/arcane-or-irrelevant-topic-on-free-will-determinism-and-quantum-physics/page/3/#post-55671" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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<a href="https://atheistzone.com/groups/artificial-intelligence/forum/topic/arcane-or-irrelevant-topic-on-free-will-determinism-and-quantum-physics/page/2/#post-55596" rel="nofollow ugc">Reg the Fronkey Farmer wrote:</a><br />
OpenAI <a href="https://www.geeky-gadgets.com/agi-openai-o3/" rel="noopener noreferrer" rel="nofollow ugc">reveal</a> they achieved AGI – OpenAI o3. Artificial General Intelligence (AGI) will have a degree of “self-awareness”, adaptability, and creative problem-solving in situations it hasn’t been explicitly trained for. It will have the ability to continually learn and adapt autonomously, mimicking human-like learnin&hellip;</p></blockquote>
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									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;<em>&#8230;.it must be a visceral decision at the end of the day for pregnant mothers&#8230;..</em></p>
<p>I know a few women who have had abortions and it was a practical, even a somewhat mundane decision for them. That is, except for one mother of three children who would have died in Ireland last year had the <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/27/world/europe/savita-halappanavar-ireland-abortion.html" rel="noopener noreferrer" rel="nofollow ugc">murderous</a> Catholic Church retained any power over the&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-44148"><a href="https://atheistzone.com/groups/artificial-intelligence/forum/topic/arcane-or-irrelevant-topic-on-free-will-determinism-and-quantum-physics/page/3/#post-55599" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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<a href="https://atheistzone.com/groups/artificial-intelligence/forum/topic/arcane-or-irrelevant-topic-on-free-will-determinism-and-quantum-physics/page/2/#post-55596" rel="nofollow ugc">Reg the Fronkey Farmer wrote:</a><br />
OpenAI <a href="https://www.geeky-gadgets.com/agi-openai-o3/" rel="noopener noreferrer" rel="nofollow ugc">reveal</a> they achieved AGI – OpenAI o3. Artificial General Intelligence (AGI) will have a degree of “self-awareness”, adaptability, and creative problem-solving in situations it hasn’t been explicitly trained for. It will have the ability to continually learn and adapt autonomously, mimicking human-like learnin&hellip;</p></blockquote>
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				<title>Simon Paynton replied to the topic Arcane or Irrelevant Topic? On Free Will, Determinism, and Quantum Physics in the forum Artificial Intelligence</title>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 24 Dec 2024 11:31:35 +0000</pubDate>

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<a href="https://atheistzone.com/groups/artificial-intelligence/forum/topic/arcane-or-irrelevant-topic-on-free-will-determinism-and-quantum-physics/page/2/#post-55595" rel="nofollow ugc">Unseen wrote:</a><br />
We do not live in a world where the average person is a philosopher who acts rationally without prejudice based on information.</p></blockquote>
<p>That&#8217;s true, it must be a visceral decision at the end of the day for pregnant mothers.  But in wider society, on both sides, people take philosophical positions.</p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 24 Dec 2024 10:21:07 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OpenAI <a href="https://www.geeky-gadgets.com/agi-openai-o3/" rel="noopener noreferrer" rel="nofollow ugc">reveal</a> they achieved AGI – OpenAI o3.</p>
<p>Artificial General Intelligence (AGI) will have a degree of &#8220;self-awareness&#8221;, adaptability, and creative problem-solving in situations it hasn’t been explicitly trained for. It will have the ability to continually learn and adapt autonomously, mimicking human-like learning processes.</p>
<p>It will have the&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-44145"><a href="https://atheistzone.com/groups/artificial-intelligence/forum/topic/arcane-or-irrelevant-topic-on-free-will-determinism-and-quantum-physics/page/2/#post-55596" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>Unseen replied to the topic Arcane or Irrelevant Topic? On Free Will, Determinism, and Quantum Physics in the forum Artificial Intelligence</title>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 23 Dec 2024 23:25:23 +0000</pubDate>

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<a href="https://atheistzone.com/groups/artificial-intelligence/forum/topic/arcane-or-irrelevant-topic-on-free-will-determinism-and-quantum-physics/page/2/#post-55590" rel="nofollow ugc">Simon Paynton wrote:</a><br />
What is the highest good or goal on each side?</p></blockquote>
<p>Simon, Simon, Simon. We do not live in a world where the average person is a philosopher who acts rationally without prejudice based on information. Most people act from their gut, taking their attitudes into account, and based only on the information they want to credit or even hear.</p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 23 Dec 2024 21:33:35 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Pro-life people say that “life” is sacrosanct no matter what.</em></p>
<p>Most pro-lifers are liars as they very quickly become anti-lifers or pro-death when it comes to capital punishment. So what if a few innocent people are murdered by the State. Yet a fetus that is about 2 to 2.5 inches (5 to 6 cm) long from crown to rump (head to bottom) and weighs abo&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-44140"><a href="https://atheistzone.com/groups/artificial-intelligence/forum/topic/arcane-or-irrelevant-topic-on-free-will-determinism-and-quantum-physics/page/2/#post-55591" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>Simon Paynton replied to the topic Arcane or Irrelevant Topic? On Free Will, Determinism, and Quantum Physics in the forum Artificial Intelligence</title>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 23 Dec 2024 18:56:17 +0000</pubDate>

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<a href="https://atheistzone.com/groups/artificial-intelligence/forum/topic/arcane-or-irrelevant-topic-on-free-will-determinism-and-quantum-physics/page/2/#post-55589" rel="nofollow ugc">Unseen wrote:</a><br />
However, the disagreements over abortion are not disagreements over facts.  They are conflicts over attitudes or matters of opinion or definition.</p></blockquote>
<p>What is the highest good or goal on each side?</p>
<p>Pro-life people say that &#8220;life&#8221; is sacrosanct no matter what.  Pro-choice people take a longer-term approach and think about the lifetime o&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-44139"><a href="https://atheistzone.com/groups/artificial-intelligence/forum/topic/arcane-or-irrelevant-topic-on-free-will-determinism-and-quantum-physics/page/2/#post-55590" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 23 Dec 2024 01:00:52 +0000</pubDate>

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<a href="https://atheistzone.com/groups/artificial-intelligence/forum/topic/arcane-or-irrelevant-topic-on-free-will-determinism-and-quantum-physics/page/2/#post-55576" rel="nofollow ugc">Simon Paynton wrote:</a></p>
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<a href="https://atheistzone.com/groups/artificial-intelligence/forum/topic/arcane-or-irrelevant-topic-on-free-will-determinism-and-quantum-physics/page/2/#post-55565" rel="nofollow ugc">Unseen wrote:</a><br />
It’s often “framed” by people who aren’t facing the question and the woman facing the choice has already set aside “greater good for the child” question.</p></blockquote>
<p>We don’t know how the individual women see it. It must be pretty subjective. As men, we never will understand it directly.</p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p>It can be argued that it’s very imp&hellip;</p></blockquote>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 22 Dec 2024 09:17:06 +0000</pubDate>

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<a href="https://atheistzone.com/groups/artificial-intelligence/forum/topic/arcane-or-irrelevant-topic-on-free-will-determinism-and-quantum-physics/page/2/#post-55565" rel="nofollow ugc">Unseen wrote:</a><br />
It’s often “framed” by people who aren’t facing the question and the woman facing the choice has already set aside “greater good for the child” question.</p></blockquote>
<p>We don&#8217;t know how the individual women see it.  It must be pretty subjective.  As men, we never will understand it directly.</p>
<p>It can be argued that it&#8217;s very important soc&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-44126"><a href="https://atheistzone.com/groups/artificial-intelligence/forum/topic/arcane-or-irrelevant-topic-on-free-will-determinism-and-quantum-physics/page/2/#post-55576" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>Unseen replied to the topic Arcane or Irrelevant Topic? On Free Will, Determinism, and Quantum Physics in the forum Artificial Intelligence</title>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 21 Dec 2024 23:33:05 +0000</pubDate>

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<a href="https://atheistzone.com/groups/artificial-intelligence/forum/topic/arcane-or-irrelevant-topic-on-free-will-determinism-and-quantum-physics/page/2/#post-55567" rel="nofollow ugc">Reg the Fronkey Farmer wrote:</a><br />
I frame the question of abortion as a healthcare choice.</p></blockquote>
<p>Well, yeah, but (as a pro-lifer might say) what about the health of the baby?</p>
<p>There is a deep divide over this issue and it&#8217;s not a disagreement over facts (which would make it solvable). Rather, it&#8217;s a disagreement in attitudes.</p>
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