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  • #59313

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    Lobbyist, go between, fixer, secret agent. It seems JE took time out from diddling underage girls to run clandestine errands for Israel. And now, Israel is behind the scenes trying to keep the Epstein files from seeing the light of day.

    #59314

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    It gets more and more interesting.

    #59859

    IvyMarcum
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    I’m in my sixties, and long ago I tired of being guilt-tripped by Zionists. How dare anyone of an ethnocentric religion call an American a bigot.

    #59864

    TheEncogitationer
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    Loganharris:

    I am not of any religion, but neither Judaism nor Zionism are ethnocentric. Judaism accepts converts of any heritage, though unlike Christianity and Islam, Judaism doesn’t seek out or proselytize for converts.

    Also, Israel has taken in Southeast Asian Buddhist “boat people” and has Arab, Persian, and Ethiopian citizens. Any guilt trips may be from Strawmen holding out their leg.

    #59874

    IvyMarcum
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    I feel gaslit.

    Maybe to you it’s a matter of degree, and Judaism doesn’t fit the bill.

    Remember,  Israel has a law against mixed marriages. Also, the “right-of-return” requires having 1 Jewish grandparent. Sounds pretty ethnic to me.

    I’m not saying all of the ethnic orientation of Judaism is bad, but it IS something that the big religions have left behind. And in Zionism it has given the world a headache.

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    #59878

    TheEncogitationer
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    Looweegee:

    The law is against religiously-mixed marriages, not ethnically-mixed marriages performed in the nation, but other marriages outside the nation can be and are recognized.

    I agree that Secularism hasn’t touch all aspects of Israeli life as much as it should. Fortunately, Israel has many Secularists in a parliamentary form of government who can work to change that.

    The “Right of Return” does give priority to Jews, but others are allowed to immigrate and become citizens as well. As small as Israel is, is is surprising it allows immigration at all.

    Israel like every other nation is not a perfect nation and could improve in many areas. But if Zionism gives headaches, it’s only because 3,000 years of Antisemitism from Paganism, Christianity, Islam, Nazism, and Communism gave even greater headaches.

    And racism and ethnic hatred still exist side by side with religion among all faiths, which makes religion of dubious value as a uniter of humanity.

    If there were no Antisemitism or any other form of race, ethnic, and religious hatred, the whole world could be a Zion for everyone.

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    #59881

    IvyMarcum
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    Acknowledged.

    As for Epstein’s ties to Mossad and Israel, how can we trust corporate news to do the topic justice? We have Bari Weiss the Zionist in charge of one network, and Larry the billionaire in charge of a portion.

    Anyone listen to “Revolutionary Change” on YouTube? Or, “Breaking Points”?

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    #59886

    TheEncogitationer
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    Looweegee:

    From what I see of titles and shorts on “Revolutionary Change”, it appears to be a one-note symphony on Israel, performed by John Cage. “Breaking Points” may be a mixed bag, but I haven’t looked at it in depth.

    I will say this: Whether it is Mainstream Media or Independent Media, logic and evidence is what should be the lodestone and the North Star.

    Also, if the same news outlet equally covers the child abuse scandals in the Catholic Church, the Southern Baptist Convention, the Latter Day Saints, and other religious bodies, as well as child fighters in Boko Haram and Hamas, and the thousands of Ukrainian children kidnapped by Putin in the war with Ukraine, this news outlet would be well worth watching.

    #59888

    IvyMarcum
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    Why dismiss “Revolutionary Change” because it is mostly about Zionism? It doesn’t pretend otherwise. “Breaking Points” is about everything and a different animal.

    I watched my community’s freethought movement for decades. I watched one of its most prominent leaders conceal that he grew up Jewish and proceed to never subject Judaism to the scrutiny he subjected Christianity and Islam to.

    Even in the 1980’s I thought it ODD. Odd that “freethinkers” considered it taboo to speak of 1 of the 3 big religions.

    Young people aren’t buying it.

    Israel is no longer getting a free pass.

    And of course, even light criticism of Israel is likely to be viewed as frothing at the mouth bigotry.

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    #59890

    TheEncogitationer
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    Looweegee:

    Here is how Revolutionary Change describes itself:

    Revolutionary Change is necessary when the political and electoral systems have failed to address the needs of society. Revolutionary Change is what needs to happen when people realize that they have been manipulated and lied to by their governments and their “leadership.” Revolutionary Change can only happen when ALL people join together to fight for liberation and justice of ALL people. Revolutionary Change is NOW.

    We discuss the issues that are critical regarding our mission of creating a world consistent with social, economic, criminal, and environmental justice. We speak with activists, journalists, professors, and other subject matter experts in an effort to educate and inspire people to demand Revolutionary Change Now.

    In Reason, Passion, and Justice,

    Jen & Peter

    Versus where it’s emphasis goes, that’s quite a contrast.

    There is no shortage of historical and scientific criticism among Atheists and Freethinkers of Creationism, Noah and the Great Flood, the Exile in Egypt, Prophecies, Visions, or of biblical practices. Even Jewish scholars share these criticisms.

    One can criticize any religious viewpoint without rancor towards believers.

    Young people aren’t buying it.

    Israel is no longer getting a free pass.

    And of course, even light criticism of Israel is likely to be viewed as frothing at the mouth bigotry.

    Young people can be skulls full of mush who sleep through history and critical thinking classes and oldsters can be whizzened mossbacks and rotten teachers. And young and old can be bright and knowledgeable. The age of ideas or thinkers has no bearing on their validity.

    And there are valid criticism of Israel’s leadership that don’t deny Israel’s right to exist. I say Mossad and Netanyahu both had a serious failure of imagination on October 7th, something they can’t afford in a post-Holocaust world.

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    #59894

    IvyMarcum
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    “Revolutionary Change” can have flaws and still offer insights and info found nowhere else. For instance, it has interviewed upwards of 3 survivors of the USS Liberty.
    I suspect Netanyahu allowed Hamas to attack on January 7. Shortly before, he had been involved in the little matter of the Gazan Offshore Gas Field. Now, he probably gains that mid-size gas field AND land in Gaza. I hear Netanyahu is regarded as a liar and a thief by many Israelis, so it is believable.

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