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				<title>michael17 replied to the topic Are we  being invaded? in the forum Science</title>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 13 Sep 2025 20:51:40 +0000</pubDate>

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Are we being invaded? Below is a curious video of an UAP being intercepted and impacted by missile and in response dividing and morphing into four UAPs. Reality is getting weirder by the moment. &#x1f62e; <a href="https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZT6KQ8QPm/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZT6KQ8QPm/</a></p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p>they’re just hosting the  actual video and not dispensating it and not lecturing as you imply</p></blockquote>
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				<title>michael17 replied to the topic Are we  being invaded? in the forum Science</title>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 13 Sep 2025 18:15:28 +0000</pubDate>

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				<title>michael17 replied to the topic Are we  being invaded? in the forum Science</title>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 13 Sep 2025 16:50:23 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="https://atheistzone.com/forums/topic/are-we-being-invaded/#post-58814" rel="nofollow ugc">TheEncogitationer wrote:</a><br />
Michael, Couldn’t view the TicTok video and I’d rather not get the app. Is there a YouTube video? I’m sure an actual extraterrestrial invasion would be known in more than just Tinfoil hat circles. We did now about Russia invading Ukraine as it happened and that was on Earth.</p>
<p>Go to TMZ.con, I could not copy the link.</p>
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				<title>michael17 started the topic Are we  being invaded? in the forum Science</title>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 13 Sep 2025 04:38:53 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are we being invaded? Below is a curious video of an UAP being intercepted and impacted by missile and in response dividing and morphing into four UAPs. Reality is getting weirder by the moment. &#x1f62e;<br />
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				<title>michael17 replied to the topic Are UAPs that are trans medium at impossible speeds evidence of unknown science? in the forum Science</title>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 06 Oct 2024 17:14:04 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just as a side note negative time has been discovered. Thus an electron can travel through an atom before it gets there with out disturbing the Higgs boson field. More spooky action</p>
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				<title>michael17 replied to the topic Are UAPs that are trans medium at impossible speeds evidence of unknown science? in the forum Science</title>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 06 Oct 2024 17:05:00 +0000</pubDate>

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				<title>michael17 replied to the topic Are UAPs that are trans medium at impossible speeds evidence of unknown science? in the forum Science</title>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 06 Oct 2024 01:02:50 +0000</pubDate>

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<a href="https://atheistzone.com/forums/topic/are-uaps-that-are-trans-medium-at-impossible-speeds-evidence-of-unknown-science/#post-54867" rel="nofollow ugc">michael17 wrote:</a><br />
<a href="https://share.icloud.com/photos/015hs0gmsUdIKSddW7fF6iMPAA" rel="nofollow ugc">https://share.icloud.com/photos/015hs0gmsUdIKSddW7fF6iMPAA</a> Angels?
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				<title>michael17 replied to the topic Are UAPs that are trans medium at impossible speeds evidence of unknown science? in the forum Science</title>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 06 Oct 2024 00:59:17 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="https://share.icloud.com/photos/015hs0gmsUdIKSddW7fF6iMPAA" rel="nofollow ugc">https://share.icloud.com/photos/015hs0gmsUdIKSddW7fF6iMPAA</a> Angels</p>
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				<title>michael17 replied to the topic Are purported aliens demons? in the forum Theism</title>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 24 Aug 2024 15:21:32 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="https://atheistzone.com/forums/topic/are-purported-aliens-demons/#post-54496" rel="nofollow ugc">_Robert_ wrote:</a><br />
<a href="https://atheistzone.com/forums/topic/are-purported-aliens-demons/#post-54495" rel="nofollow ugc">michael17 wrote:</a><br />
Things are called heaven also when Hubble photographed what appeared to be a floating city of light. To date no explanation, though it smells like fake news. <a href="https://www.google.com/search?q=hubble+photographed+a+city&amp;ie=UTF-8&amp;oe=UTF-8&amp;hl=en-us&amp;client=safari&amp;dlnr=1&amp;sei=pj7JZv3PLdmzptQP6LK3yAI#vuanr=4" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.google.com/search?q=hubble+photographed+a+city&#038;ie=UTF-8&#038;oe=UTF-8&#038;hl=en-us&#038;client=safari&#038;dlnr=1&#038;sei=pj7JZv3PLdmzptQP6LK3yAI#vuanr=4</a>ke</p>
<p>Even in your&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-43071"><a href="https://atheistzone.com/forums/topic/are-purported-aliens-demons/#post-54497" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>michael17 replied to the topic Are purported aliens demons? in the forum Theism</title>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 24 Aug 2024 02:20:40 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Things are called heaven also when Hubble photographed what appeared to be a floating city of light. To date no explanation, though it smells like fake news.</p>
<p><a href="https://www.google.com/search?q=hubble+photographed+a+city&amp;ie=UTF-8&amp;oe=UTF-8&amp;hl=en-us&amp;client=safari&amp;dlnr=1&amp;sei=pj7JZv3PLdmzptQP6LK3yAI#vuanr=4" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.google.com/search?q=hubble+photographed+a+city&#038;ie=UTF-8&#038;oe=UTF-8&#038;hl=en-us&#038;client=safari&#038;dlnr=1&#038;sei=pj7JZv3PLdmzptQP6LK3yAI#vuanr=4</a>ke</p>
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				<title>michael17 replied to the topic Are purported aliens demons? in the forum Theism</title>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 24 Aug 2024 01:45:04 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, my knowledge is dated. I’m surprised that I missed it in a journal over the years.<br />
However the analogy will still hold if likewise, it becomes PSE, phenomena scientifically explainable . I trust that our military has more than monkey brains. And the scientist that coined Maxwell demons neither had monkey brains.</p>
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				<title>michael17 replied to the topic Are purported aliens demons? in the forum Theism</title>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 23 Aug 2024 20:04:29 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, Maxwell demons have been coined to express our ignorance on how a Hilsch tube works. The demons separates the hot and cold molecules to allow them exit opposit ends of a tube. We still don’t know how it works  <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vortex_tube" rel="nofollow ugc">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vortex_tube</a></p>
<p>So a similar predicament appears here. Scientifically we may never know.</p>
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				<pubDate>Wed, 21 Aug 2024 20:59:50 +0000</pubDate>

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				<title>michael17 replied to the topic Is the Middle East Crisis a Prelude to Armageddon? in the forum Theism</title>
				<link>https://atheistzone.com/forums/topic/is-he-middle-east-crisis-a-prelude-to-armageddon/page/2/#post-51187</link>
				<pubDate>Tue, 07 Nov 2023 21:34:02 +0000</pubDate>

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<a href="https://atheistzone.com/forums/topic/is-he-middle-east-crisis-a-prelude-to-armageddon/page/2/#post-51181" rel="nofollow ugc">TheEncogitationer wrote:</a><br />
Michael17, So God is the author of both good and evil, just like it was attributed to him in Isaiah 45:7 and he is dickless, hopeless and useless when it comes to doing good. Gotcha, Mike!&#x1f644;</p></blockquote>
<p>We are the sinners that are ransomed to the fallen angels whose spirits have been leading us astray tempting and testing us . But&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-40066"><a href="https://atheistzone.com/forums/topic/is-he-middle-east-crisis-a-prelude-to-armageddon/page/2/#post-51187" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>michael17 replied to the topic Is the Middle East Crisis a Prelude to Armageddon? in the forum Theism</title>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 07 Nov 2023 12:38:52 +0000</pubDate>

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<p>Michael17, Even if Papal crime and corruption and Manifest Destiny in The Americas was a fulfillment of a prophesy, why should we worship and respect a supposed God that lets it all happen and does nothing?</p></blockquote>
<p>God only allows darkness that he has foreseen and shall conquer by  the&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-40056"><a href="https://atheistzone.com/forums/topic/is-he-middle-east-crisis-a-prelude-to-armageddon/page/2/#post-51177" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>michael17 replied to the topic Is the Middle East Crisis a Prelude to Armageddon? in the forum Theism</title>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 07 Nov 2023 05:17:46 +0000</pubDate>

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<p>I see what Rome and its European offspring&#8217;s have done Rome and Constantinople cities that sit on seven hills , Babylon the mysterious the world is drunk with her apostasy and blasphemy. Everything from turning Mary into a Goddess to be worship, Papal indulgences and converting the Roman pantheon to saints to be prayed to. The papacy rich&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-40052"><a href="https://atheistzone.com/forums/topic/is-he-middle-east-crisis-a-prelude-to-armageddon/page/2/#post-51168" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>michael17 replied to the topic Is the Middle East Crisis a Prelude to Armageddon? in the forum Theism</title>
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<p><a href="https://atheistzone.com/forums/topic/is-he-middle-east-crisis-a-prelude-to-armageddon/page/2/#post-51160" rel="nofollow ugc">Strega wrote:</a>Netanyahu is pushing every possible emotional button to reinforce the Israeli response. If there’s a bit of Bible handy, he’s going to grab that. I d&hellip;</p></blockquote>
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				<title>michael17 replied to the topic Is the Middle East Crisis a Prelude to Armageddon? in the forum Theism</title>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 06 Nov 2023 23:39:08 +0000</pubDate>

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<a href="https://atheistzone.com/forums/topic/is-he-middle-east-crisis-a-prelude-to-armageddon/page/2/#post-51156" rel="nofollow ugc">Strega wrote:</a></p>
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<a href="https://atheistzone.com/forums/topic/is-he-middle-east-crisis-a-prelude-to-armageddon/page/2/#post-51154" rel="nofollow ugc">michael17 wrote:</a><br />
There are no prophets counseling the leadership of Israel. protect the people, but do not take the moral high ground by quoting scripture to justify genocide. Leaders are in place by providence for a non believing world, to assume it’s for righteousness is presumptuous &lt;p style=”text-align: rig&hellip;</p></blockquote>
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				<title>michael17 replied to the topic Is the Middle East Crisis a Prelude to Armageddon? in the forum Theism</title>
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				<pubDate>Mon, 06 Nov 2023 21:37:02 +0000</pubDate>

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<p>of Israel. protect the people,  but do not take the moral high ground by quoting  scripture to justify genocide. Leaders are in place by providence for a non believing world, to assume it’s for righteousness is presumptuous<br />
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				<title>michael17 replied to the topic Is the Middle East Crisis a Prelude to Armageddon? in the forum Theism</title>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 05 Nov 2023 21:17:07 +0000</pubDate>

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<a href="https://atheistzone.com/forums/topic/is-he-middle-east-crisis-a-prelude-to-armageddon/#post-51056" rel="nofollow ugc">Unseen wrote:</a><br />
@ Michael Would any of these qualify?: Islamic Eschatology: In Islam, there are beliefs about the Day of Judgment (Yawm al-Qiyamah) where all individuals will be resurrected and judged by Allah. This is a day of reckoning, and it is associated with various signs and events, including the appearance of the false messiah (Dajjal), the&hellip;</p></blockquote>
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				<title>michael17 replied to the topic Is the Middle East Crisis a Prelude to Armageddon? in the forum Theism</title>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 29 Oct 2023 22:19:53 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The internet is abuzz but the end of the age followed by the second coming and the millennium of peace is not here yet.</p>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 29 Oct 2023 20:50:07 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Euphrates river is drying up to make way for  the 200 million army of the kings of the East as prophesied in the Revelation? The armies of the world are being gathered? Are the sounds emanating  from revealed structures beneath the Euphrates  the unbounding of the angels to slay a third of the earth through inducing war as in the Re&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-39893"><a href="https://atheistzone.com/forums/topic/is-he-middle-east-crisis-a-prelude-to-armageddon/" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>michael17 replied to the topic Does this give credence to the tower of  Babel? in the forum Theism</title>
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Michael17, Navy Vets can and do study foreign languages as part of their globetrotting work and some probably immerse so deep in a language that they may think of themselves as native speakers and maybe even simultaneously develop unique personalities as a result of some psychological disorder. But the proof of the Tower&hellip;</p></blockquote>
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				<title>michael17 started the topic Does this give credence to the tower of  Babel? in the forum Theism</title>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 01 Aug 2023 04:31:03 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>This phenomenon continues to happen. Does this give credence to the tower of  Babel story in Genesis?</p>
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				<title>michael17 replied to the topic Are UAPs that are trans medium at impossible speeds evidence of unknown science? in the forum Science</title>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 25 Jun 2023 17:47:46 +0000</pubDate>

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<a href="https://atheistzone.com/forums/topic/are-uaps-that-are-trans-medium-at-impossible-speeds-evidence-of-unknown-science/#post-48843" rel="nofollow ugc">Unseen wrote:</a><br />
As usual, what passes for “evidence” is basically something someone or some agency says with at best blurry photos on offer. We live in an age with excellent photo resources. Satellites, we are told, can read license plates, for example, yet I have yet to see an image that is both convincing and shows a craft with any degree of det&hellip;</p></blockquote>
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				<pubDate>Sun, 25 Jun 2023 03:54:36 +0000</pubDate>

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				<title>michael17 replied to the topic Does  the JWST support Creation? in the forum Science</title>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jun 2023 18:13:12 +0000</pubDate>

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<a href="https://atheistzone.com/forums/topic/does-the-jwst-support-creation/page/4/#post-48828" rel="nofollow ugc">Unseen wrote:</a></p>
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<a href="https://atheistzone.com/forums/topic/does-the-jwst-support-creation/page/4/#post-48827" rel="nofollow ugc">michael17 wrote:</a></p>
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<a href="https://atheistzone.com/forums/topic/does-the-jwst-support-creation/page/3/#post-48825" rel="nofollow ugc">Unseen wrote:</a></p>
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<a href="https://atheistzone.com/forums/topic/does-the-jwst-support-creation/page/3/#post-48823" rel="nofollow ugc">michael17 wrote:</a><br />
UAPs are examples of the miracles, Newtonian physics defying.</p></blockquote>
<p>So, UAP’s have, umm, angels at their helms. Or The Big Guy himself?</p></blockquote>
<p>“Men’s hearts failing them out of fear of those things coming upon the earth for the powers of heaven shall be shaken”</p></blockquote>
<p>So not even the powers of heaven&hellip;</p></blockquote>
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				<title>michael17 replied to the topic Does  the JWST support Creation? in the forum Science</title>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jun 2023 17:26:53 +0000</pubDate>

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<a href="https://atheistzone.com/forums/topic/does-the-jwst-support-creation/page/3/#post-48825" rel="nofollow ugc">Unseen wrote:</a></p>
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<a href="https://atheistzone.com/forums/topic/does-the-jwst-support-creation/page/3/#post-48823" rel="nofollow ugc">michael17 wrote:</a><br />
UAPs are examples of the miracles, Newtonian physics defying.</p></blockquote>
<p>So, UAP’s have, umm, angels at their helms. Or The Big Guy himself?</p></blockquote>
<p>“Men’s hearts failing them out of fear of those things coming upon the earth for the powers of heaven shall be shaken”</p>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jun 2023 16:48:30 +0000</pubDate>

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<a href="https://atheistzone.com/forums/topic/does-the-jwst-support-creation/page/3/#post-48818" rel="nofollow ugc">Unseen wrote:</a><br />
<a href="https://atheistzone.com/forums/topic/does-the-jwst-support-creation/page/3/#post-48811" rel="nofollow ugc">michael17 wrote:</a><br />
The miraculous simply means we are powerless to do the same. UAPs defy Newtonian physics, and we are powerless to do the same. Being non-baryonic helps.Your defense of miracles only makes sense if miracles actually happen, and you cite everything we can’t do or explain as evidence of God. And not just any God (&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-38005"><a href="https://atheistzone.com/forums/topic/does-the-jwst-support-creation/page/3/#post-48823" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>michael17 replied to the topic Does  the JWST support Creation? in the forum Science</title>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jun 2023 22:10:53 +0000</pubDate>

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<a href="https://atheistzone.com/forums/topic/does-the-jwst-support-creation/page/3/#post-48809" rel="nofollow ugc">Unseen wrote:</a></p>
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<a href="https://atheistzone.com/forums/topic/does-the-jwst-support-creation/page/3/#post-48805" rel="nofollow ugc">michael17 wrote:</a><br />
Likewise, just because tbere is theory, like evolution, you can not jump to the conclusions that there is no god as was done in the Victorian age. Moreover evolution may address change within a phylum but not the creation of phylums nor biogenesis nor the efficient engineering of thermodynamic, electrical and&hellip;</p></blockquote>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jun 2023 18:24:29 +0000</pubDate>

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<a href="https://atheistzone.com/forums/topic/does-the-jwst-support-creation/page/3/#post-48802" rel="nofollow ugc">Unseen wrote:</a><br />
<a href="https://atheistzone.com/members/michael/" rel="nofollow ugc"></a><a href='https://atheistzone.com/members/michael/' rel="nofollow ugc">@michael</a> “Astro-physicists are currently baffled and going back to their chalk board.” We know your conclusion, Michael, even when you don’t state it explicitly. “Therefore, God must exist,” right? We already know that things at the time of the Big Bang were not “normal” in the sense of comporting with the physics that became normal&hellip;</p></blockquote>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jun 2023 16:44:59 +0000</pubDate>

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<a href="https://atheistzone.com/forums/topic/does-the-jwst-support-creation/page/3/#post-48796" rel="nofollow ugc">TJ wrote:</a><br />
More accurately, scientific discoveries can be presented agnotologically. This typically results in incorrect interpretation of the data, for the express purpose of misrepresenting it. The purpose of misrepresenting the data, is typically driven by no credible data being available to use instead. So, finding that stars formed in better&hellip;</p></blockquote>
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				<title>michael17 replied to the topic Why I&#039;m skeptical about the UFO phenomenon in the forum Small Talk</title>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jun 2023 02:44:09 +0000</pubDate>

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<p>King James Version</p>
<p>26 Men&#8217;s hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken</p>
<p>The Olivet prophecies are spot on!</p>
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				<title>michael17 replied to the topic Is the absence of chaos among the inner planets, apart of fine tuning? in the forum Science</title>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 12 May 2023 18:23:39 +0000</pubDate>

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<a href="https://atheistzone.com/forums/topic/is-the-absence-of-chaos-among-the-inner-planets-apart-of-fine-tuning/#post-48185" rel="nofollow ugc">Unseen wrote:</a></p>
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<a href="https://atheistzone.com/forums/topic/is-the-absence-of-chaos-among-the-inner-planets-apart-of-fine-tuning/#post-48181" rel="nofollow ugc">Unseen wrote:</a><br />
In any case, there is no absence of chaos, is there? Or can you prove absence of chaos?</p></blockquote>
<p>Chaos is suppose to be there, is the point, but there’s not. So who or what is doing the restoration?</p></blockquote>
<p>There you go again, asserting there’s no chaos. Show us, then, that there is no chaos.</p></blockquote>
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				<title>michael17 replied to the topic Is the absence of chaos among the inner planets, apart of fine tuning? in the forum Science</title>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 12 May 2023 18:12:06 +0000</pubDate>

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<a href="https://atheistzone.com/forums/topic/is-the-absence-of-chaos-among-the-inner-planets-apart-of-fine-tuning/#post-48186" rel="nofollow ugc">PopeBeanie wrote:</a><br />
ChatGPT gave me a great explanation of planetary orbital dynamics, including interactions, but got wishy-washy on what scientific consensus is on how well Lyapunov time calculations can explain very long time frames, or the future of planetary orbits. In the article you cited, I also didn’t see any strong support for, or s&hellip;</p></blockquote>
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				<title>michael17 replied to the topic Is the absence of chaos among the inner planets, apart of fine tuning? in the forum Science</title>
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				<pubDate>Fri, 12 May 2023 17:56:45 +0000</pubDate>

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<blockquote><p>Michael17, Couldn’t a body from outside the Solar System of sufficient size and gravitational pull come in and mess with the orbits of <em>any</em> of the Planets or Dwarf Planets, whether Inner Solar System or Outer Solar System? Yeah, I know I’m throwing in a hypothetical, but is it any less possible than the notion of “fi&hellip;</p></blockquote>
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				<title>michael17 replied to the topic Is the absence of chaos among the inner planets, apart of fine tuning? in the forum Science</title>
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<a href="https://atheistzone.com/forums/topic/is-the-absence-of-chaos-among-the-inner-planets-apart-of-fine-tuning/#post-48181" rel="nofollow ugc">Unseen wrote:</a><br />
In any case, there is no absence of chaos, is there? Or can you prove absence of chaos?</p></blockquote>
<p>Chaos is suppose to be there, is the point, but there’s not. So who  or what is doing the restoration?</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 11 May 2023 21:54:26 +0000</pubDate>

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<a href="https://atheistzone.com/forums/topic/is-the-absence-of-chaos-among-the-inner-planets-apart-of-fine-tuning/#post-48176" rel="nofollow ugc">Unseen wrote:</a><br />
What exactly do you mean by the lack of chaos among the inner planets (Mercury through Mars, I assume)? Are you referring to chaos as defined in chaos theory where relatively small fluctuations can result in major consequences? Mercury’s orbit is often described as chaotic in a different sense of the word.</p></blockquote>
<p>The calculated Lyapunov t&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-37433"><a href="https://atheistzone.com/forums/topic/is-the-absence-of-chaos-among-the-inner-planets-apart-of-fine-tuning/#post-48179" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>michael17 replied to the topic Is the absence of chaos among the inner planets, apart of fine tuning? in the forum Science</title>
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<blockquote><p>michael17, is it evident to you how your world view colors your lens accordingly? Not that objectivity is possible for humans and yet any form of ideology/orthodoxy renders a flawed human an absolute trash receptacle. I don’t mean that in a bad way…it is just that</p></blockquote>
<p>Theories or ideologies can be flawed, but evidence is what it is.&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-37429"><a href="https://atheistzone.com/forums/topic/is-the-absence-of-chaos-among-the-inner-planets-apart-of-fine-tuning/#post-48174" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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<p><a href="https://www.livescience.com/space/cosmology/scientists-discover-secret-symmetries-that-protect-earth-from-the-chaos-of-space" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.livescience.com/space/cosmology/scientists-discover-secret-symmetries-that-protect-earth-from-the-chaos-of-space</a></p>
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				<title>michael17 replied to the topic Does  the JWST support Creation? in the forum Science</title>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 11 May 2023 17:33:02 +0000</pubDate>

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<blockquote><p>Michael17, Science is about postulates and theories based, respectively, on contingent interpretations of observations, and on the latest and most verifiable evidence. This is also how the science of medicine works; In the long run, in spite of previous beliefs and incorrectly purported proofs, demonstrably successful treatments&hellip;</p></blockquote>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 02 May 2023 16:53:23 +0000</pubDate>

									<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice video on how confounded Big Bangers are.  And a High-Five to Creationist. (Not the 6000 years ago universal creationist). As there is evidence that a civiliation existed on earth 350 million years ago. I believe that more evidence will be unearthed in our lifetimes. Already unanomalous structures are detected in Anarctica on Google Earth.&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-37359"><a href="https://atheistzone.com/forums/topic/does-the-jwst-support-creation/page/2/#post-48094" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<title>michael17 replied to the topic Does  the JWST support Creation? in the forum Science</title>
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				<pubDate>Sat, 25 Mar 2023 01:05:09 +0000</pubDate>

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<p>Angels?</p>
<p>“Men’s hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.”</p>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 23 Mar 2023 12:09:02 +0000</pubDate>

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<a href="https://atheistzone.com/forums/topic/does-the-jwst-support-creation/page/2/#post-47536" rel="nofollow ugc">michael17 wrote:</a></p>
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<a href="https://atheistzone.com/forums/topic/does-the-jwst-support-creation/#post-47533" rel="nofollow ugc">jakelafort wrote:</a><br />
michael17, i read a book or two by Kaku. Later i heard him say some shit that made me lose respect for his intellectual integrity and acuity. And now this shit. Kaku speaks caca poopoo. <a href="https://www.realclearscience.com/blog/2022/07/06/michio_kakus_embarrassing_stance_on_ufos_840226.html" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.realclearscience.com/blog/2022/07/06/michio_kakus_embarrassing_stance_on_ufos_840226.htm</a></p></blockquote>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 23 Mar 2023 11:44:22 +0000</pubDate>

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<a href="https://atheistzone.com/forums/topic/does-the-jwst-support-creation/#post-47533" rel="nofollow ugc">jakelafort wrote:</a><br />
michael17, i read a book or two by Kaku. Later i heard him say some shit that made me lose respect for his intellectual integrity and acuity. And now this shit. Kaku speaks caca poopoo. <a href="https://www.realclearscience.com/blog/2022/07/06/michio_kakus_embarrassing_stance_on_ufos_840226.html" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.realclearscience.com/blog/2022/07/06/michio_kakus_embarrassing_stance_on_ufos_840226.htm</a></p></blockquote>
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				<pubDate>Thu, 23 Mar 2023 02:55:42 +0000</pubDate>

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From michael17: You read the mainstream explanations. Which one has your vote? I don’t know. Mine is not to explain matters lacking sufficient evidence or expertise to describe. No shooting sparks here. I note that unidentified blank is a common occurrence. My supposition is that if it is not contrived by humans, not natural p&hellip;</p></blockquote>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 21 Mar 2023 19:23:10 +0000</pubDate>

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Doesn’t matter how satirical, clever or logical you are-ya ain’t gonna make a dent in the world view of michael17. The truth of the mythology is assumed and anything contradicting it is processed in his brain in a way consistent with the preservation of the mythology. I am not sure anyone could change Enco’s ideology eithe&hellip;</p></blockquote>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 21 Mar 2023 18:15:43 +0000</pubDate>

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<a href="https://atheistzone.com/forums/topic/does-the-jwst-support-creation/#post-47499" rel="nofollow ugc">Unseen wrote:</a><br />
“Spiritual explanations”? Like maybe Yahweh, Odin, Zeus, Ahura Mazda, Gautama Buddha, and Krishna all got together, held a seance, and as a result Yahweh decided to create the universe? Spiritualism like that?</p></blockquote>
<p>There is a congressional conversation:</p>
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<p>However no scientific explanation is giv&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-36837"><a href="https://atheistzone.com/forums/topic/does-the-jwst-support-creation/#post-47500" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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				<pubDate>Tue, 21 Mar 2023 14:53:31 +0000</pubDate>

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				<pubDate>Tue, 21 Mar 2023 13:36:14 +0000</pubDate>

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<a href="https://atheistzone.com/forums/topic/does-the-jwst-support-creation/#post-47468" rel="nofollow ugc">Unseen wrote:</a><br />
<a href="https://atheistzone.com/members/michael17/" rel="nofollow ugc"></a><a href='https://atheistzone.com/members/michael17/' rel="nofollow ugc">@michael17</a> Anomalies are nothing new. Sometimes they are explained away and sometimes they force an adjustment to or a revolution in the standard model. Nothing new there. However, you continue to advocate the least likely possible explanation, that the universe was made by a cosmic magician.</p></blockquote>
<p>Yes, but if these things were not so,&hellip;<span class="activity-read-more" id="activity-read-more-36833"><a href="https://atheistzone.com/forums/topic/does-the-jwst-support-creation/#post-47495" rel="nofollow ugc">[Read more]</a></span></p>
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