Does the JWST support Creation?

[michael17Participant]

Six Galaxies have been found by the JWST that are massive containing old stars before 700 million years after the Big Bang.  Moreover they contain massive black holes. They appear from a creationists point of view, created as designed from the start.  I support  such a view.  Moreover, The Pentagon posits a mothership in the solar system I posit  the angels that predate creation.

https://www.militarytimes.com/off-duty/military-culture/2023/03/09/pentagon-ufo-chief-says-alien-mothership-in-our-solar-system-possible/

https://www.sciencenews.org/article/james-webb-telescope-six-galaxies-old

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[UnseenParticipant]

No.

[michael17Participant]

Unseen wrote:

No.

Currently there is no explanation for fully formed galaxies in the dark ages. Things haven’t “evolved” yet. Comparable anomalies are found in archeology many man made objects from 300 million years ago, including a wheel in Russia.
https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTR77hXWo/

https://www.thearchaeologist.org/blog/enigmatic-ancient-wheel-the-300-million-year-old-wheel-and-anomalous-ancient-tracks-across-the-world

[UnseenParticipant]

@michael17

Anomalies are nothing new. Sometimes they are explained away and sometimes they force an adjustment to or a revolution in the standard model. Nothing new there. However, you continue to advocate the least likely possible explanation, that the universe was made by a cosmic magician.

[michael17Participant]

Unseen wrote:

@michael17 Anomalies are nothing new. Sometimes they are explained away and sometimes they force an adjustment to or a revolution in the standard model. Nothing new there. However, you continue to advocate the least likely possible explanation, that the universe was made by a cosmic magician.

Yes, but if these things were not so, theist would have no scientific/ archeological bases to posit spiritual explanations as with the world wide UAP/ UFO flap. It’s been noted that they have appeared at nuclear installations. deactivated missiles and have been film transitioning from air to water and vise versa without a wake or loss instability

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[michael17Participant]

…loss of stability

[_Robert_Participant]

Yes, but if these things were not so, theist would have no scientific/ archeological bases to posit spiritual explanations

You’re on the something there. It is amazing that not a single scrap of verifiable evidence for anything supernatural has been scientifically acknowledged despite the avalanche of claims made on a daily basis. One might even start doubting scriptures that speaks of unicorns, dead and buried people rising from graves and a flood that covered the highest mountains just a few thousand years ago, killing all creatures but those on a ridiculous boat. Maybe, just maybe people could be lying? I know that sounds crazy. Nah, we’ll go with the parting seas, thanks. Much more likely.

[UnseenParticipant]

“Spiritual explanations”? Like maybe Yahweh, Odin, Zeus, Ahura Mazda, Gautama Buddha, and Krishna all got together, held a seance, and as a result Yahweh decided to create the universe?

Spiritualism like that?

[michael17Participant]

Unseen wrote:

“Spiritual explanations”? Like maybe Yahweh, Odin, Zeus, Ahura Mazda, Gautama Buddha, and Krishna all got together, held a seance, and as a result Yahweh decided to create the universe? Spiritualism like that?

There is a congressional conversation:

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTRvJa6e2/

However no scientific explanation is given.
Meanwhile we are free to raise possibilities.

• We are being visited by aliens
• Angels are interceding
• All wittinesses are liars and videos fabricated.
• Secret physics defying technologies have been developed by a nationality.

 

These are mainstream suggested explanations. If a type 2  or 3 civilization exists elsewhere in the cosmos as in the movie Contact, then an alien explanation is plausible since warping space-time and finding worm-holes would be a cinch. But this is equally as speculative  as angels.  But to answer your question the creator of all things both visible and invisible thus by implication  “I Am”.

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[jakelafortParticipant]

Doesn’t matter how satirical, clever or logical you are-ya ain’t gonna make a dent in the world view of michael17. The truth of the mythology is assumed and anything contradicting it is processed in his brain in a way consistent with the preservation of the mythology. I am not sure anyone could change Enco’s ideology either.

So i was wondering whether psychedelics might alter the neural pathways or work its magic to alter the inalterable TRUTHS suffered by theists, cultists, and ideologues. it could be a fertile ground for experimentation. Maybe i am tripping over my own feet.

[michael17Participant]

jakelafort wrote:

Doesn’t matter how satirical, clever or logical you are-ya ain’t gonna make a dent in the world view of michael17. The truth of the mythology is assumed and anything contradicting it is processed in his brain in a way consistent with the preservation of the mythology. I am not sure anyone could change Enco’s ideology either. So i was wondering whether psychedelics might alter the neural pathways or work its magic to alter the inalterable TRUTHS suffered by theists, cultists, and ideologues. it could be a fertile ground for experimentation. Maybe i am tripping over my own feet.

You read the mainstream explanations. Which one has your vote?

[_Robert_Participant]

jakelafort wrote:

Doesn’t matter how satirical, clever or logical you are-ya ain’t gonna make a dent in the world view of michael17. The truth of the mythology is assumed and anything contradicting it is processed in his brain in a way consistent with the preservation of the mythology. I am not sure anyone could change Enco’s ideology either. So i was wondering whether psychedelics might alter the neural pathways or work its magic to alter the inalterable TRUTHS suffered by theists, cultists, and ideologues. it could be a fertile ground for experimentation. Maybe i am tripping over my own feet.

It seems like strong cognitive bias is the culprit. After believing that ‘ole hay-zues walked on water, believing some story that angels disable a missile silo is pretty easy. Just take a look at this country. Flat earth, faked moon landing, Bill Gates is Satan, and his vaccines transmit radio signals to track you, Jewish cabal full of pedophiles are rigging voting machines and stealing our children. JFK Jr and Elvis are down at the pool and KFC is better for you now because we don’t say the word “fried” in the name.

We have a half-boat shaped building full of stuffed animals that pretends it is a museum or something. Bus-loads of ignoramus’s shuffle through, watching an animatronic Noah care for baby tyrannosaurs in a cage.

And if you say it like it is…you must be an elite, commie snob, brainwashed by lesbian college professors. It’s FUBAR.

[jakelafortParticipant]

From michael17: You read the mainstream explanations. Which one has your vote?

I don’t know. Mine is not to explain matters lacking sufficient evidence or expertise to describe. No shooting sparks here. I note that unidentified blank is a common occurrence. My supposition is that if it is not contrived by humans, not natural phenomena and it is sentient or sent by sentient somethings that it is similar to humans, lady bugs, and eukaryotes-it has arisen without the aid of special creation and is just more ‘stuff’ in our vast and complex universe.

When we selectively affirm the unexplained to support our narrative and peculiur world view we are doing a disservice to the better angels in our brains.

[michael17Participant]

jakelafort wrote:

From michael17: You read the mainstream explanations. Which one has your vote? I don’t know. Mine is not to explain matters lacking sufficient evidence or expertise to describe. No shooting sparks here. I note that unidentified blank is a common occurrence. My supposition is that if it is not contrived by humans, not natural phenomena and it is sentient or sent by sentient somethings that it is similar to humans, lady bugs, and eukaryotes-it has arisen without the aid of special creation and is just more ‘stuff’ in our vast and complex universe. When we selectively affirm the unexplained to support our narrative and peculiur world view we are doing a disservice to the better angels in our brains.

You have to be open minded. This has be come a concern for national security. Your unbelief and presumptive psychological assessment won’t make it go away.
https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTRv2HT6A/

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[jakelafortParticipant]

michael17, i read a book or two by Kaku. Later i heard him say some shit that made me lose respect for his intellectual integrity and acuity. And now this shit. Kaku speaks caca poopoo.

https://www.realclearscience.com/blog/2022/07/06/michio_kakus_embarrassing_stance_on_ufos_840226.html

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