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    Unseen
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    @PB

    The psychologists of consciousness who speak of hallucination use it in a well-defined, limited way because the word has several meanings and uses including the one you mentioned. In translating a wavelength into a color, our brain gives us a way of seeing an apple, a leaf, a hunk of lapis lazuli, or anything in a way that allows us to make certain distinctions that just sensing vibrations qua vibrations probably would not. A cat sees a red apple without the color we know and the bat hears it rather than seeing it in a way that works for the bat.

    Since you asked, the shivers I got had to do with the possibility of living with a parallel universe I may simply lack the sense organs to perceive. Like feeling there’s an unseen presence where perhaps other beings exist who might be unaware of me as well. That’s all.

    I want to make clear that when I refer to a hallucination, I am not thinking of a simulation in the sense certain physicists use it. A simulation would mean we and our perceptions aren’t real. The hallucination I’m talking about is simply a way of presenting our surroundings to the consciousness in a way we can make sense of. That an apple isn’t the color red doesn’t deny the reality of the apple. I think Autumn was arguing that if red is a certain wavelength, then the apple is red if it gives off that value. I can see that point of view. I do think something is lost if one views it that way. My point is that red becomes a percept when our brain gives us a way of seeing it that we call red.

    I don’t know what it’s like to be a bat, but I bet it can’t see red. It has no use for it.

     

    #47170

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    We have evolved all the senses that we need to survive on this planet. Organs for sensing things that are not necessary for our survival were not evolved because such organs would use up resources making us less likely to survive.

     

    My survival doesn’t depend on me sensing infra red or seeing the same color that you see. All I need is to be able to distinguish a fuji apple from a granny Smith apple thus making my shopping experience less stressful.

     

    Atoms may be mostly air, but the gluons holding them together is what creates the physical objects that we perceive in this world. And it is that perception which allows us to survive. If we perceived the air around the atoms, we could not interact efficiently with the objects and said objects would affect us in a way that decreases our ability to survive.

     

    Call this the philosophy of survival.

    #47179

    Unseen
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    Atoms may be mostly air, but the gluons holding them together is what creates the physical objects that we perceive in this world. And it is that perception which allows us to survive. If we perceived the air around the atoms, we could not interact efficiently with the objects and said objects would affect us in a way that decreases our ability to survive.

    Atoms are mostly unoccupied space, not air. Air is a mixture of nitrogen, oxygen, and whatever else happens to be around.

    We are perceiving more than we need to know every waking hour. Better too much than too little.

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