I’ve listened to Anne before, and became aware of the internationalization of autocracy only about a year ago, but this interview finally helped me understand the trend as a credible result of human nature. I’ve been trying to do that ever since Trump rattled my cage, at one point actually hating him as the only human I can say I truly hated in my life. Now I can finally put that hate to rest, and get back to feeling like an alien in outer space looking down, taking notes on humans, and maybe being able to know what to watch for and expect in dictators and other politicians, and populist movements. (I’m still working on trying to not think in terms of Good vs Evil. Although I wouldn’t mind if I could just point my finger and neutralize a few bad guys, without causing them pain.)