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  • #2118

    Thy Plague Doctor
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    #2120

    Thy Plague Doctor
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    Also I am back from a hiatus and catching up now…I dont talk much because …well family doesnt need to know

    #2126

    .
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    What do you want to discuss specifically? I think when you post a link you need some sort of spin on it or personal commentary…to put it in context…Just an FYI incase the moderators don’t see it first, may want to edit that….

    #2127

    Strega
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    What Belle said 🙂

    #2130

    Thy Plague Doctor
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    Well by this logic of the picture…would …cells be like life? I can see where this could go wrong…. and where how you define “life.” Comes into play. I dunno just lonely…

    #2131

    Unseen
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    I think you’re confusing several things. “Life” vs “a life,” for example. Also, law can define things differently from biology.

    #2149

    SteveInCO
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    Also, law can define things differently from biology.

    I would say law must operate with different concepts from those biology uses; its purpose is very different. That leaves one with two options: come up with separate words for the different concepts, or use the same word for concepts that are similar.

    Actually, biology uses “organism” for something that’s living (not a precise definition), so one could refer to an embryo as a “human organism” without claiming it as a “human life” in the legal sense.

    (Yeah, I know that’s a pretty basic point but sometimes those basic points bear repeating–especially to those (*cough*anti-choicers*cough*) who insist on conflating them as part of their argumentation strategy.)

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    #2165

    Unseen
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    Actually, biology uses “organism” for something that’s living (not a precise definition), so one could refer to an embryo as a “human organism” without claiming it as a “human life” in the legal sense.

    Actually, biologists aren’t 100% comfortable with the word “life.” What “life” is can be a distraction for them. Should viruses be studied by biology? Technically, according to some commonly-used definitions, viruses aren’t alive at all.

    “First seen as poisons, then as life-forms, then biological chemicals, viruses today are thought of as being in a gray area between living and nonliving: they cannot replicate on their own but can do so in truly living cells and can also affect the behavior of their hosts profoundly.” From Are Viruses Alive? in Scientific American.

    #2166

    Unseen
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    Currently, abortion might be described as a form of justifiable homicide if it is homicide at all.

    #2197

    Matt
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    Should viruses be studied by biology?

    Surely virology has that covered? I suppose the real question then becomes “is virology a specialisation of biology”. An interesting topic, maybe we should start a new thread for it?

    would …cells be like life?

    By most definitions, cells are life.

    I can see where this could go wrong…. and where how you define “life.” Comes into play

    Not really. If you have another life inside you (by saying cells are life, you have billions, maybe even trillions) you are well within your rights to forcibly remove said life. i.e. if you get an infection, antibiotics can be used to treat the infection (i.e. kill the life causing the infection). I see no reason this shouldn’t apply (at the discretion of those actually involved) to any and all life inhabiting one’s body.

    Currently, abortion might be described as a form of justifiable homicide if it is homicide at all.

    Homicide depends on classifying the foetus as a human being and on the fact that you actually kill the foetus. A crueller (in my opinion) alternative which sounds nicer is forced eviction, i.e. not killing the foetus but removing it from the womb anyway (no doubt the foetus would then die of natural causes).

    #2250

    Thy Plague Doctor
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    I think you’re confusing several things. “Life” vs “a life,” for example. Also, law can define things differently from biology.

    Yeah I realized my derp after posting this….so yeah :/ sides just watching you talk…its hard to talk sometimes…

    #2881

    tom sarbeck
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    I might be able to explain family silence.
    My ethnic German dad said almost nothing about his early years. My born-in-Germany mom said absolutely nothing about her early years. They stopped talk by their five children, my dad with a leather belt, my mom with ridicule. (All kinds of hell followed, which I will omit here.)
    Decades after they died I learned the reason for their silence. Their ancestors, who’d been farmworkers in Germany, had been taught that talk interfered with work and might foreshadow a peasant uprising. Feudalism ended in their parts of Germany and they came to America.

    I recovered and now laugh when I tell people, “I joined Toastmasters and haven’t stopped talking since then.”

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