SOMEONE YOU KNOW MAY BE A NEO-NAZI AND NOT EVEN KNOW IT

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    Unseen
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    Today’s Nazism is not so much about sending Jews back to the Middle East if not to death camps. It’s a lot more complicated than that and reflects local circumstances and concerns. Neo-Nazism in Germany or Hungary or Norway is a lot different than Neo-Nazism in the Carolinas or Idaho or anywhere else in the United States.

    Some activist neo-Nazis make no bones about their beliefs while others are in the closet. I suspect, however, that the vast majority of neo-Nazis don’t even know that that’s what they are.

    Key Neo-Nazi beliefs:

    1. White nationalism: White people with ethnic European roots are under threat of being supplanted by others who don’t fit that description. General anti-immigrationism and cultural protectionism.

    2. Ecofascism: Merging politics with environmentalism, advocating that overpopulation is the primary threat to the environment and that the only truly workable solution is to reduce world population.

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    #43834

    Belle Rose
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    Ecofascism: Merging politics with environmentalism, advocating that overpopulation is the primary threat to the environment and that the only truly workable solution is to reduce world population

    i don’t think this one is “neo-nazi,” that’s something else entirely..

    #43838

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    @unseen

    Ecofascism: Merging politics with environmentalism, advocating that overpopulation is the primary threat to the environment and that the only truly workable solution is to reduce world population

    i don’t think this one is “neo-nazi,” that’s something else entirely..

    Neo-Nazis Are Using Eco-Fascism to Recruit Young People

     

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    #43840

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    The major fallacy behind ecofascism: If too many people are using up world resources and this justifies a drastic reduction in world population, which population, if reduced, could have the biggest impact? Well, one might want to start with the population that uses and wastes the most natural resources per person. No, not China or India or Mexico or the entire continent of Africa. You’d want to start with the white-skinned part of the world. The U.S., Canada, and Western Europe. Who uses more petroleum? An American or a Mexican? A German or a Chinaman? The answer is pretty obvious and it’s about the same for just about all major resources.

    #43841

    Autumn
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    @unseen

    Ecofascism: Merging politics with environmentalism, advocating that overpopulation is the primary threat to the environment and that the only truly workable solution is to reduce world population

    i don’t think this one is “neo-nazi,” that’s something else entirely..

    There is a common ploy of using one movement to increase the social acceptability of something that might other wise be deemed questionable or unacceptable (or outright vile).

    For instance, anti-immigration sentiment can be dressed up as feminism by placing extraordinary emphasis on the idea that immigrants from certain countries are intrinsically anti-feminist/ anti-women’s rights. People who repeat that argument aren’t necessarily racist in their overall ideology, but they do end up advancing ideals that go hand in hand with racist agendas. At times this can become a wedge to actually shift people toward more extremist views not by changing their minds, but rather exploiting social dynamics.

    Similarly, not everyone who speaks of overpopulation and needing a reduction in population in the most densely populated areas is ideologically a neo-nazi, but they do end up presenting an argument that aligns with certain white supremacist ideals. That in turn can create tension and feelings of isolation in their progressive-leaning social circles which leads to the sort of emotional wounds that have surprising influence over a person’s thinking. As they seek to medicate their wounds by proving they are neither wrong nor racist, who do you think is going to show solidarity? Who’s going to say, “We aren’t racist; we just have these reasonable and misunderstood ideas that the sheeple reject”? Racists. Because racists rarely brand themselves as such.

    It’s not a conversion tactic that’s going to work on everyone, but it’s going to work on some.

    #43877

    TheEncogitationer
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    Unseen,

    If your read the 25-Point Program of the National Socialist German Worker’s Party, and edit out the parts related to Jews and nationality, it doesn’t read much different than the New Deal, The Great Society, or the typical Democratic Socialist “free shit” gimmies wish-list.

    National Socialist Program–Wikipedia
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Socialist_Program

    And the slogan for the Party ends up being, in the interpretation I’ve read:

    “The Common Good Over The Individual Good.”

    This should give a whole lot of people in the American political scene pause for thought…if only they’d read it.

    Meanwhile, I’m looking for athletic shirts with the number “89,” so I can also iron-on the words:
    “Hail Individualism!”. 😎

    #43895

    TheEncogitationer
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    Unseen,

    In Germany there was a movement called the Wandervogel starting in 1896 that was a precursor of the Hippie movement in the U.S. The Wandervogel wore Bohemian-style clothing and long hair and played guitars, but also disparaged cities and industrialism and blamed the despoiling of the environment on “Jewish Capitalism” and also got into Teutonic mythology. Though outlawed in 1933 as rivals to the Nazi’s official Hitler Jugen, they did share common hatreds and some Wandervogel were probably easily co-opted.

    There is also an equal opportunity group of “Deep Ecology” crazies called The Voluntary Human Extinction Movement who think humans in general are a virus on the Planet and encourage them all to shove off and take the eternal dirt nap.

    Voluntary Human Extinction Movement
    https://www.vhemt.org/

    The Voluntary Human Extinction–Wikipedia
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voluntary_Human_Extinction_Movement

    This is considered part of a larger philosophical movement called Antinatalism which holds that humans are better off to have never been born at all.
    Tourney
    Antinatalism–Wikipedia
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antinatalism

    Before taking any of this too seriously, there is a series on Curiosity Stream called Dream The Future narrated by Sigourney Weaver that presents bright minds who are dealing with environmental problems of waste and pollution without enslaving, Balkanizing and murdering people.

    Things like vertical urban farms; Combucho fungi turned into building material; Michael Reynolds Earthships–beautiful energy-efficient, self-sufficient homes made of aluminum cans and old tires; QMILK, a company turning spoiled milk into wearable, biodegradable clothing; Happy Harvest, a company that home delivers tasty produce rejected by grocers for their looks. The possibilities abound!

    And Curiousity Stream is well worth the $20 a year and it bundles with other services for added value!

    Curiosity Stream
    http://www.curiositystream.com

    #43897

    Unseen
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    If your read the 25-Point Program of the National Socialist German Worker’s Party, and edit out the parts related to Jews and nationality, it doesn’t read much different than the New Deal, The Great Society, or the typical Democratic Socialist “free shit” gimmies wish-list.

    Yes. Minus all that anti-Semitic bullshit, what you’re left with is all those kinds of things that many of the happiest countries in the world seem to have in common.  How terrible.

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