Atheist Zone | mike | Group Activity https://atheistzone.com/members/ekimat7/activity/groups/ Public group activity feed of which mike is a member. Thu, 16 Apr 2026 13:18:16 +0000 https://buddypress.org/?v= en-US 30 hourly 2 69d8b31c8e240ce3225e9091394ed7df RichRaelian joined the group Consciousness https://atheistzone.com/activity/p/37795/ Thu, 08 Jun 2023 06:40:40 +0000 0 fd489c5954e41f20c80bee89589c55e4 PopeBeanie replied to the topic "Artificial Intelligence" in the forum Consciousness https://atheistzone.com/groups/consciousness/forum/topic/artificial-intelligence/#post-31780 Sat, 13 Jun 2020 23:12:09 +0000 AI is usually, in itself, a side-issue to a discussion of consciousness, yet people love to speculate on the inevitability of consciousness in AI. This, before we can even define our own consciousness. I personally feel that purposefully building any “consciousness” into AI could be considered as unethical as it would be to experiment with any huma…[Read more]

]]> e44afd67fe6338e681fd16d68a7a037a PopeBeanie replied to the topic Defining Consciousness in the forum Consciousness https://atheistzone.com/groups/consciousness/forum/topic/defining-consciousness-et-al/#post-31660 Tue, 26 May 2020 22:59:35 +0000 Consciousness is not one thing. It is a combination of neural processes that include attention; awareness/experience of self and awareness of sensory input; recall of episodic memory, metaphorical, numerical, estimational, and artistic cognition; an inner narrator that speaks in our native language and is able to focus on various aspects of inner…[Read more]

]]> 78bfeb458aaec5719b31dce15d0ab050 PopeBeanie posted an update in the group Consciousness https://atheistzone.com/activity/p/20351/ Wed, 29 Jan 2020 05:37:57 +0000 Le Meetup

]]> 2 659e8e7d3bfeb8bead0c28f942edb9a4 Reg the Fronkey Farmer replied to the topic Development of Consciousness in the forum Consciousness https://atheistzone.com/groups/consciousness/forum/topic/development-of-consciousness/page/2/#post-29815 Thu, 23 Jan 2020 11:42:07 +0000 It was Jung who wrote about the Shadow Self.

(Your much too Jung to be aFreud).

]]> beaf4876964aa88182b4a10ff408f65b Simon Paynton replied to the topic Development of Consciousness in the forum Consciousness https://atheistzone.com/groups/consciousness/forum/topic/development-of-consciousness/page/2/#post-29814 Wed, 22 Jan 2020 21:38:40 +0000 Freud said that part of the ego exists in the unconscious.  I think this is true, i.e., there is a part of consciousness that is “unconscious”, and part of the ego operates within it.

What is the unconscious?  I think it contains things that are known to the mind but not to conscious awareness.  Those things might be dynamic manoeuvres like su…[Read more]

]]> b6dd1ccc3f3a8f7a6991918a91b0acab Simon Paynton replied to the topic Development of Consciousness in the forum Consciousness https://atheistzone.com/groups/consciousness/forum/topic/development-of-consciousness/page/2/#post-29811 Wed, 22 Jan 2020 15:36:20 +0000 In fact, Freud might have said that the ego is that part of consciousness that looks after you in the short and long term.

]]> 32c55cad594ee7f612d1c56932978eee Simon Paynton replied to the topic Development of Consciousness in the forum Consciousness https://atheistzone.com/groups/consciousness/forum/topic/development-of-consciousness/page/2/#post-29810 Wed, 22 Jan 2020 08:00:46 +0000 What I find fascinating is the way that the pressure to thrive/survive/reproduce combines with consciousness to produe the ego – that “machine for looking after you”.

If you think about it, the ego is constantly monitoring one’s environment, ferreting out opportunities and, especially, threats.

]]> 64764f78f3974d5ee3bc42d8f421185c Simon Paynton replied to the topic Development of Consciousness in the forum Consciousness https://atheistzone.com/groups/consciousness/forum/topic/development-of-consciousness/page/2/#post-29809 Wed, 22 Jan 2020 07:43:10 +0000 You could say we’re too clever for our own good.  It may be that consciousness – awareness, intelligence, language and moral guidance, among other things – are there to use for cooperating, and doing complex things, in a social world.

]]> 4e22567a7f5b744539ab0798ee0af5ed _Robert_ replied to the topic Development of Consciousness in the forum Consciousness https://atheistzone.com/groups/consciousness/forum/topic/development-of-consciousness/page/2/#post-29808 Wed, 22 Jan 2020 03:28:08 +0000 If we compare our probable survival duration to that of sharks or roaches I would venture to say that consciousness and frontal lobe development will prove to be a detriment to survival. In fact as self aware beings with wants and desires we have diminished ability to avoid changing the very environment we evolved to live in.

]]> 1abf22ba50935a1f858ca045737474db PopeBeanie replied to the topic Development of Consciousness in the forum Consciousness https://atheistzone.com/groups/consciousness/forum/topic/development-of-consciousness/#post-29807 Wed, 22 Jan 2020 00:15:25 +0000

_Robert_ wrote:
I think “consciousness” as hard as it is to define is probably a byproduct of frontal lobe evolution/development that has nothing to do with survival.

I think that’s not completely incorrect. But I’d say that, at some point even back in the early evolution of consciousness, many new thoughts and new behaviors could be exp…[Read more]

]]> 60e81726f24ee2fc23332afbbc4392cc Simon Paynton replied to the topic Development of Consciousness in the forum Consciousness https://atheistzone.com/groups/consciousness/forum/topic/development-of-consciousness/#post-29806 Tue, 21 Jan 2020 22:25:31 +0000

I think “consciousness” as hard as it is to define is probably a byproduct of frontal lobe evolution/development that has nothing to do with survival.

Conscious of what?  The real world.  This has to have something to do with evolution.  Consciousness gives a survival advantage.

]]> 5d56de4b53daad441cdf5a109833cba7 _Robert_ replied to the topic Development of Consciousness in the forum Consciousness https://atheistzone.com/groups/consciousness/forum/topic/development-of-consciousness/#post-29805 Tue, 21 Jan 2020 21:38:40 +0000 The religious assertion that individual consciousness (usually defined as one’s “essence”) can survive brain death is simple completely detached from any real evidence or facts. I think “consciousness” as hard as it is to define is probably a byproduct of frontal lobe evolution/development that has nothing to do with survival.

]]> dc218359731e20ae1fdf1da077597b56 PopeBeanie replied to the topic Development of Consciousness in the forum Consciousness https://atheistzone.com/groups/consciousness/forum/topic/development-of-consciousness/#post-29804 Tue, 21 Jan 2020 20:16:05 +0000

Simon Paynton wrote:
[…] Apologists also maintain that atheists have no objective standard of morality, but human well being is an objective criterion in my opinion.

Having said that, I’m sure that atheist anti-theist arguments are full of straw men as well.

Yeah, and speaking of human consciousness, we all have that cognitive bias toward s…[Read more]

]]> 5b045e4620cbe994a89d18d30a31a129 Reg the Fronkey Farmer replied to the topic Development of Consciousness in the forum Consciousness https://atheistzone.com/groups/consciousness/forum/topic/development-of-consciousness/#post-29803 Tue, 21 Jan 2020 19:48:54 +0000 I don’t think that members of a species cooperate with each other to propagate the species.

Agreed. But it builds stronger bonds between cooperating individuals who will watch out for each other which in turn makes the overall society stronger.

A strong and healthy silver fish is not as well adapted (or “fittest”) as a brown fish in a murky r…[Read more]

]]> 85a1e42240cc6312fbf87cb78841cd01 Simon Paynton replied to the topic Development of Consciousness in the forum Consciousness https://atheistzone.com/groups/consciousness/forum/topic/development-of-consciousness/#post-29800 Tue, 21 Jan 2020 19:10:17 +0000 I’ve read Richard Dawkins in “The Extended Phenotype”, and he lists about 11 definitions of fitness.  I agree that “best adapted” makes one definition, but “strong and healthy” is another in my opinion, both leading to the same outcome – relatively more reproduction than one’s fellows.

I don’t think that members of a species cooperate with each…[Read more]

]]> c27b4f8333430611e6b0ce2943ca601d Reg the Fronkey Farmer replied to the topic Development of Consciousness in the forum Consciousness https://atheistzone.com/groups/consciousness/forum/topic/development-of-consciousness/#post-29799 Tue, 21 Jan 2020 18:21:27 +0000 When we speak of the “survival of the fittest” we should be clear what the term “fittest” means. It was never used by Darwin. Most theists and a good many atheists think it means the strongest or even the most aggressively competitive. But it would better read as “survival of the best adapted” (to their environment). This could mean the best ca…[Read more]

]]> 5d22a52f305388219cc6dfce5e303c8c Simon Paynton replied to the topic Development of Consciousness in the forum Consciousness https://atheistzone.com/groups/consciousness/forum/topic/development-of-consciousness/#post-29798 Tue, 21 Jan 2020 17:31:21 +0000

the original arguments that gods regulated our every thought 24/7

I’m sure (but don’t know) that this is still the case.

What bugs me is the straw men, particularly over morality.  Evolutionary explanations are dismissed on the grounds that evolution means “the survival of the fittest”.  This is true, but evolution also means “thriving of the f…[Read more]

]]> 6e116d39b8054372d241bd51ff0f7607 _Robert_ replied to the topic Development of Consciousness in the forum Consciousness https://atheistzone.com/groups/consciousness/forum/topic/development-of-consciousness/#post-29797 Tue, 21 Jan 2020 15:45:24 +0000 The last arguments that apologists for religions stand with seem to be the scientific frontiers concerning abiogenesis, consciousness (NDE), objective morality, quantum mechanics and pre-big-bang suppositions. That is a far cry from the original arguments that gods regulated our every thought 24/7 (that lasted for hundreds of years). It is amazing…[Read more]

]]> da3dea22bc31ffe1ca6bff3b39de748a Simon Paynton replied to the topic Development of Consciousness in the forum Consciousness https://atheistzone.com/groups/consciousness/forum/topic/development-of-consciousness/#post-29796 Tue, 21 Jan 2020 13:02:38 +0000 I think that someone with “access” to the “spirit world” or whatever gained power through this.  This power then enabled control of the group.

]]> 7ef3a02e628c95732fb890a725ac35e5 _Robert_ replied to the topic Development of Consciousness in the forum Consciousness https://atheistzone.com/groups/consciousness/forum/topic/development-of-consciousness/#post-29795 Tue, 21 Jan 2020 10:48:48 +0000 Early humans a little more intelligent than the others figured out they could easily control the group with superstition. Physical symbols only reinforce the case for nonsense, The history of religion is the history of control.

]]> aba3c61caf22174f4ad0ceb42772281c PopeBeanie replied to the topic Development of Consciousness in the forum Consciousness https://atheistzone.com/groups/consciousness/forum/topic/development-of-consciousness/#post-29794 Tue, 21 Jan 2020 08:03:22 +0000  

Development of Human Consciousness as We Know It

 

Here’s a pretty good presentation from a PhD student, imo. She doesn’t go deep into religion, but it seems like a good start, and it’s relevant to our consciousness. (The audio’s a bit irritating at first, but improves later.)

Genevieve Von Petzinger

]]> c1c9e90c2907c5397e0290f2bb2f7411 PopeBeanie started the topic Mental Maps in the forum Consciousness https://atheistzone.com/groups/consciousness/forum/topic/mental-maps/ Wed, 15 Jan 2020 06:24:13 +0000 The most obvious maps in our heads are for getting from here to there and back, and we also have varying aptitudes for finding shortcuts. Body maps (for pain, range of movement e.g. for arms and legs, and so on) are fundamentally necessary for survival, for all animals. Similar mapping paradigms seem to also be repurposed for other uses, even for…[Read more]

]]> c7d479a0f86f0b6abfb9825aac1dc064 PopeBeanie replied to the topic Body Language in the forum Consciousness https://atheistzone.com/groups/consciousness/forum/topic/body-language/#post-29463 Sun, 08 Dec 2019 00:37:18 +0000 The bulk of any language evolves and operates, if not on a full two-way street, at least with a transmitter and a comprehending receiver, e.g. in the case of a poisonous plant or animal advertising itself in a colorfully visual way and a predator’s evolved behavior to ignore it and/or keep its distance.  Or when two furry animals fluff up to…[Read more]

]]> 5c3390d341b9b96f6403ee0401ba7753 Davis replied to the topic Body Language in the forum Consciousness https://atheistzone.com/groups/consciousness/forum/topic/body-language/#post-29462 Sat, 07 Dec 2019 22:48:36 +0000 When tragedy strikes a family of dogs…do you think the other dogs offer their “thoughts and prayers”?

]]> 50dbf92444b425c8d14bc290f4d5b8a5 Simon Paynton replied to the topic Body Language in the forum Consciousness https://atheistzone.com/groups/consciousness/forum/topic/body-language/#post-29460 Fri, 06 Dec 2019 12:06:48 +0000 Dogs are cooperative breeders like humans are.  So, a human baby will look around at all the people in the vicinity, as if soliciting care, and is normally cared for by multiple people.  In contrast, an ape or monkey baby clings tight to its mother for the first six months or so of its life.

]]> 2a9fef09d0cc2450395e59a88b3afe6c PopeBeanie started the topic Body Language in the forum Consciousness https://atheistzone.com/groups/consciousness/forum/topic/body-language/ Wed, 04 Dec 2019 07:04:21 +0000 I thought I posted this story before, but can’t find it, so here it is again.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/science/2019/06/17/dogs-may-have-evolved-puppy-dog-eyes-tug-our-hearts/

(I want to emphasize here the importance of our comprehension of body language, especially wrt facial expression/communication. This topic is relvant to theory of…[Read more]

]]> edeeac57325a6bab18a3a4c6ed13819a All And One posted an update in the group Consciousness: Consciousness continues with life having either the agreeable […] https://atheistzone.com/activity/p/19810/ Sun, 24 Nov 2019 17:09:27 +0000 Consciousness continues with life having either the agreeable type or the separated type, disagreeable type. To see, understand sound, to contemplate and to experience is to have a consciousness at process places. People and life around continue to be conscious across process places based on what they agree to see, take in as sound, contemplate…[Read more]

]]> 0 1acb65da394bd230877c466cbbd34894 All And One posted an update in the group Consciousness: Everything is conscious where it is interesting or necessary. […] https://atheistzone.com/activity/p/19809/ Sun, 24 Nov 2019 16:41:34 +0000 Everything is conscious where it is interesting or necessary. This is how people and life around understand something to it. AI is laready conscious with what is knowable as separated circumstances. It’s interesting to understand about if you can “take” my language this time around. This is a good and continuable interest that can be added to.

]]> 0 2500876b1dbf2a30ad52a56e3d24cd19 All And One joined the group Consciousness https://atheistzone.com/activity/p/19808/ Sun, 24 Nov 2019 16:36:59 +0000 0 38894316cf51dbb4481a7a0d6c53ecab Reg the Fronkey Farmer replied to the topic The Future of Human Consciousness in the forum Consciousness https://atheistzone.com/groups/consciousness/forum/topic/the-future-of-human-consciousness/#post-29292 Sun, 10 Nov 2019 21:21:59 +0000 I was reasonably conscious of having posted it before but it is worth another look 🙂 I spent two full days at the Schrodinger lectures.  Time and money well spent.

Did you get to see the book link in today’s school?

]]> 388fa9369bd7a76a96273169069d96c8 PopeBeanie replied to the topic The Future of Human Consciousness in the forum Consciousness https://atheistzone.com/groups/consciousness/forum/topic/the-future-of-human-consciousness/#post-29291 Sun, 10 Nov 2019 20:14:52 +0000 Thanks to Reg (in 10NOV’19 Sunday School) for a video entitled Christof Koch: The Future of Consciousness – Schrödinger at 75: The Future of Biology

]]> ac703306ca4e7b8f7ab6c4824d86cc5c PopeBeanie replied to the topic The Future of Human Consciousness in the forum Consciousness https://atheistzone.com/groups/consciousness/forum/topic/the-future-of-human-consciousness/#post-29201 Sat, 02 Nov 2019 18:50:42 +0000 Scientists Demonstrate Direct Brain-to-Brain Communication in Humans
Link to Scientific American article

Excerpts:

[…] In a new study, technology replaces language as a means of communicating by directly linking the activity of human brains.

[…] A magnetic pulse was delivered to the receiver using a transcranial magnetic stimulation (TMS)…

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]]> 9f8723adbec22b39f7448b3777ae5391 PopeBeanie started the topic The Future of Human Consciousness in the forum Consciousness https://atheistzone.com/groups/consciousness/forum/topic/the-future-of-human-consciousness/ Sat, 02 Nov 2019 18:47:26 +0000 [I’m just starting this new topic here as a placeholder for coming discussions. A reminder: As alluded to in this group’s group policy, most posts that members contribute will likely be left as is, but are still subject to possible edits or movement to another topic by a group admin for the sake of keeping topics in this Consciousness Group cogent…[Read more]

]]> e4914d1038fa46a43cb296861acba489 PopeBeanie replied to the topic Defining Consciousness in the forum Consciousness https://atheistzone.com/groups/consciousness/forum/topic/defining-consciousness-et-al/#post-28943 Fri, 18 Oct 2019 21:17:00 +0000

Unseen wrote:
Can androids dream of electric sheep?

@Unseen, I apologize for my first, rambling response to your post, and/so following is more to the point. [PopeBeanie edit: I moved that post out of this topic because I think it was distractingly too wordy.]

That is a really important question, and I think that since we don’t know if/how we’ll…[Read more]

]]> 5da522d0e3fd1cc78d7258d8273d7321 PopeBeanie started the topic Neuroscientists on Consciousness in the forum Consciousness https://atheistzone.com/groups/consciousness/forum/topic/neuroscientists-on-consciousness/ Sat, 21 Sep 2019 01:43:21 +0000 Christopher Koch

Portrait of Christof Koch, from Allen Institue of Brain Science

(Thanks to Reg for the first two links below which I’ve borrowed from his post.)

https://alleninstitute.org/what-we-do/brain-science/about/team/staff-profiles/christof-koch/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christof_Koch

 

Podcasts (list last updated 2019 SEP 20)

Panpsychism and…[Read more]

]]> e0921afbfca79a8c513a6c91b6e88ede Jody Lee joined the group Consciousness https://atheistzone.com/activity/p/18370/ Fri, 23 Aug 2019 12:10:03 +0000 0 702d8ded5179503571dc0404657251cd Reg the Fronkey Farmer replied to the topic Specialized Areas of the Brain in the forum Consciousness https://atheistzone.com/groups/consciousness/forum/topic/specialized-areas-of-the-brain/#post-26666 Thu, 27 Jun 2019 19:15:04 +0000 I bought 2 tickets before I finished reading that list!!  Took 2 days of work to attend 🙂 Got a meet and greet with Dan Dennett.

]]> 8f879530def0dc5d23eecea6444a98e8 PopeBeanie replied to the topic Specialized Areas of the Brain in the forum Consciousness https://atheistzone.com/groups/consciousness/forum/topic/specialized-areas-of-the-brain/#post-26660 Thu, 27 Jun 2019 17:49:44 +0000

Reg the Fronkey Farmer wrote:
List of speakers here with several talks that are relevant (or just interesting). 5 Nobel Laureates among them.

That is an awesome and challenging list! I’ll first see what I can find and share having to do with specialized areas of the brain.

]]> 28c8f82e9f5116c3f9d0b5627962cda9 PopeBeanie replied to the topic Development of Consciousness in the forum Consciousness https://atheistzone.com/groups/consciousness/forum/topic/development-of-consciousness/#post-26637 Tue, 25 Jun 2019 22:23:55 +0000 So we can study “development” of consciousness at the individual level prenatally and when one is growing up and growing old, over thousands of years of human cultural evolution, at the human and primate species level genetically, or over millions of years of mammalian and other animal evolution.

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]]> 8a385288178e52046382d0b338e59528 PopeBeanie replied to the topic Specialized Areas of the Brain in the forum Consciousness https://atheistzone.com/groups/consciousness/forum/topic/specialized-areas-of-the-brain/#post-26636 Tue, 25 Jun 2019 22:09:32 +0000 Thanks Reg!

Related to my previous post…

I think it’s useful to know that Jaak sorted his primal list largely based on the order in which they probably evolved in brains, so it also reflects largely on which parts of the brain have the “deepest” physiology and evolved usage.

SEEKING, RAGE, FEAR, LUST, CARE, PANIC,  PLAY.

More advanced…[Read more]

]]> 87ae99167275c8ebb39424e27c8bd340 Reg the Fronkey Farmer replied to the topic Specialized Areas of the Brain in the forum Consciousness https://atheistzone.com/groups/consciousness/forum/topic/specialized-areas-of-the-brain/#post-26633 Tue, 25 Jun 2019 21:09:43 +0000 I mentioned this before but just in case it was missed, here is the final talk by Dan Dennett at a series of lectures given in Dublin last year. (Start at 7:00 if you want).

List of speakers here with several talks that are relevant (or just interesting). 5 Nobel Laureates among them.

]]> a9aa43e0fc42945c7ba859d63cba1c1e PopeBeanie replied to the topic Specialized Areas of the Brain in the forum Consciousness https://atheistzone.com/groups/consciousness/forum/topic/specialized-areas-of-the-brain/#post-26632 Tue, 25 Jun 2019 19:10:08 +0000 First, some terms and concepts, to highlight the underlying binary nature of how the nervous system and brain operate, although some of you may want to skip the details and jump into the video.

  • Our brain is a complex signal processor that evolved from simpler brains, that evolved from simple sensory and control circuits.
  • Brains receive sensory…

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]]> 34521dd97c28c5a0751450f0f9f195ef PopeBeanie replied to the topic #meta: group curation, notes & history, etc in the forum Consciousness https://atheistzone.com/groups/consciousness/forum/topic/meta-group-curation-notes-history-etc/#post-25996 Thu, 18 Apr 2019 22:47:46 +0000 PopeBeanie note, 15 Jan 2020: I moved the post below to this topic, from the topic blah blah, because I realized how rambling it was, and because I wrote a better — or at least a shorter — reply to Unseen.

Unseen wrote:
[…] so if one of these Turing-humans gave you art and it was good enough to be bought and sold on the fine art market,…

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]]> 07c72fdd9249c3d55460f605daa1de6d Unseen replied to the topic Defining Consciousness in the forum Consciousness https://atheistzone.com/groups/consciousness/forum/topic/defining-consciousness-et-al/#post-25988 Thu, 18 Apr 2019 03:14:07 +0000 If I created a very smart machine that turned out paintings, and it had a very human interface (Japanese automatons are becoming creepily believable in terms of their “social stimulus value,” so if one of these Turing-humans gave you art and it was good enough to be bought and sold on the fine art market, would that necessarily imply a…[Read more]

]]> e1fffaf6880e53cea2e1d13b10423842 PopeBeanie replied to the topic Defining Consciousness in the forum Consciousness https://atheistzone.com/groups/consciousness/forum/topic/defining-consciousness-et-al/#post-25980 Wed, 17 Apr 2019 21:05:33 +0000 Posting here rather than repeating like a broken record in Unseen’s topic:

Unseen wrote:
We already know that decisions happen before we are aware that we made them […]

It still feels like I made the decision, whether or not it feels like it took time to happen. No definition of “experience” or “I” or “consciousness” or “sub-consciousness” can…[Read more]

]]> b0eea29a39d3edd8d786a431746d71fe PopeBeanie replied to the topic For Starters... in the forum Consciousness https://atheistzone.com/groups/consciousness/forum/topic/for-starters/page/2/#post-25861 Mon, 08 Apr 2019 19:42:29 +0000 Here’s a ten year old “Rama” video that’s still insightful, even if we’ve since updated theories about “mirror neurons”.

 

]]> 6db81ad0c84888bcbf69b04fc0cbbbf6 PopeBeanie replied to the topic Development of Consciousness in the forum Consciousness https://atheistzone.com/groups/consciousness/forum/topic/development-of-consciousness/#post-25785 Wed, 03 Apr 2019 21:58:29 +0000 (I wrote the following post for Unseen’s excellent topic “Why Are We Conscious?“, but decided to post it here instead so as to not distract from his intended topic trajectory. I love this topic and think it fits well here. Most significant imo is the link to Jaak Pansepp’s work in the next-to-last paragraph.)

Unseen wrote:
Again, it comes down to…

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]]> b3734a7ad3243c2311a743594e78a300 PopeBeanie replied to the topic The "Hard Problem of Consciousness" in the forum Consciousness https://atheistzone.com/groups/consciousness/forum/topic/the-hard-problem-of-consciousness/#post-25496 Fri, 01 Mar 2019 23:55:43 +0000

Unseen wrote:
Like I said, consciousness may simply be an accident. One that happened to certain beings on the planet, or maybe just to you.

That’s reasonable, or at least I’d say a long series of accidents that were selected by evolution to live on in genes. Life itself was shaped that way, in uncountable series’ of uncountable accidents and…[Read more]

]]> f6df8070d8071bd08450314ff97206df PopeBeanie replied to the topic The "Hard Problem of Consciousness" in the forum Consciousness https://atheistzone.com/groups/consciousness/forum/topic/the-hard-problem-of-consciousness/#post-25495 Fri, 01 Mar 2019 23:03:56 +0000

Unseen wrote:
If you really want to doubt, how can you be sure that you are conscious of anything real at all?

I’m not well learned in philosophy, so my opinions will often be relatively uninformed. That said…

I visualize “the hard problem” as being difficult, only because we so strongly tend to assume there must be some kind of meta nature…[Read more]

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