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    Sitting in the sun outside Starbucks today, I overheard people sarcastically toasting  (or roasting) Trump for the probable reduction in coffee prices here as Brazil starts to export its coffee to Europe instead of the USA.  People are not going to play his game. Just ignore him and make new friends instead.

    #58439

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    @Reg

    Yup!

    #58442

    Project 2025 is less about governance and more about remaking the state in ways that require large-scale disruption. Doge was the first step. The rapid-fire blunderbuss approach that Steve Bannon mentioned is still happening. Naomi Klein’s book “The Shock Doctrine” had warning signs that match much of current MAGA blueprint. While the citizens are distracted or struggling to survive, leaders implement sweeping neoliberal economic policies — privatisation, deregulation, cuts to social programs — that disproportionately benefit corporate elites. Once the shock passes, the changes are so embedded that rolling them back becomes politically or economically nearly impossible. If your long-term political project is to convince voters that “government doesn’t work,” creating a chaotic economy under your watch can paradoxically strengthen your argument as long as you can spin the blame onto your opponents, the media, or foreign actors, like Canada or Mexico.

    The Roman empire gave the plebs “bread and circuses” to keep them distracted. Entrenched loyalty to the “dear leader” became the norm, rather than to the democratic institutions. While the mob was busy cheering in the Colosseum, they weren’t rioting over lost freedoms, economic inequality, or military overreach. Project 2025’s cultural agenda, like the Roman spectacles, acts as a constant source of emotional engagement and identity reinforcement, distracting from economic instability or democratic backsliding. All media coverage now is hyperbole and a constant cycle of outrage.

    It’s not unreasonable for you to suspect that parts of Project 2025 could have economic consequences that are more than just “collateral damage”.  I think harm to the economy is seen by those behind Project 2025 as an acceptable price the country will have to pay, rather than a deliberate policy to wreck it.

    #58444

    Unseen
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    It’s not unreasonable for you to suspect that parts of Project 2025 could have economic consequences that are more than just “collateral damage”.  I think harm to the economy is seen by those behind Project 2025 as an acceptable price the country will have to pay, rather than a deliberate policy to wreck it.

    I hope I was not read by anyone to be saying they want to completely destroy the economy. I’m thinking it’s more a tactic to establish a wider gap between haves and have nots to drag labor costs down and bring profits for the oligarchs up.

    #58445

    @unseen – I hope I was not read by anyone to be saying they want to completely destroy the economy.

    No, not at all. However, I did entertain that thought myself at one point, when Trump allowed his sycophants to make a lot of money when he said “Now would be a good time to buy shares”.

    #58446

    Unseen
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    THINGS ARE LOOKING UP!!!…

    for Canada.

     

    #58451

    TheEncogitationer
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    Reg,

    What gets me is Josh Hawley has proposed that every American get a $600 rebate check from the Federal Government to offset the tariffs. What is that saying if not that the costs of tariffs are ultimately borne by the end-user consumer?

    And since domestic businesses purchase foreign items for use in their business to produce and provide goods and services i.e. capital, will this rebate cover these added costs imposed by tariffs too? (Short answer: no.)

    And if taxpayers get $600 rebates from tariffs, how is this either going towards paying the National Debt as Trump claims or possibly as serving as a substitute for the income tax, as some tariff supporters would like to claim?

    Trump and the MAGA apologists are trying to be all things to everyone with tariffs?

    #58452

    Hawley’s own proposal is essentially an unintentional confession of how tariffs work in reality. They don’t punish foreigners for producing foreign goods in foreign countries! They are a tax on imports, paid by the importer and the cost eventually paid by the consumer, even if the importer eats some of the tariff.

    The government will collect more from tariffs than it gives back but the consumer must first pay the higher price and then get a partial rebate.  It’s like Target increasing the price of a Samsung TV by $100 then giving the buyer a coupon for a €30 rebate. If you think you are on a winner here, I have a bridge to sell you.

    You don’t learn this by taking a degree course in economics. You figure this simple idea out when you earn your first pocket money as a child. Hawley must think MAGA voters are stoopid!

    #58454

    Unseen
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    Las Vegas is America’s “canary in the coalmine.”

    Las Vegas sees drop in tourism, hinting at broader economic woes facing the U.S.

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    #58501

    Unseen
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    Trump’s taxes (disguised as tariffs) are taking America’s lunch money and are handing it to Canada. Canada is more and more replacing the United States in world markets.

    https://youtu.be/GS6z2kn3haE?si=fAUgeWhka4gl7Ld0

    Why won’t some thumbnail images display?

     

     

    r

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    #58510

    PopeBeanie
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    I’m just guessing, but there might be something odd about that youtube channel, as the same failure also happens with a different video from that channel. It does have only three subscribers, which is odd in itself. [Edit: Now it says 6.5k subscribers. I don’t know what the heck I was looking at.] But I learned that when we post these links, wordpress grabs the thumbnail graphic from youtube, so there’s probably a failure there of some kind.

    Simon and I (and maybe more of us) cannot upload graphics to the AZ website, so that might have a common origin of failure, but it’s still odd and possibly not related. I HAVE been able to post videos and the thumbnails show up. (We’re looking into that one.)

    Good question. Looking into it…

    https://youtu.be/GS6z2kn3haE

    https://youtu.be/GS6z2kn3haE?si=saIl5mrmOP7eqSK4

    https://youtu.be/GS6z2kn3haE?si=fAUgeWhka4gl7Ld0

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GS6z2kn3haE

    #58526

    Unseen
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    Canada is now taking over US steel production.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGw6UpWPROE&t=150s

    #58590

    Unseen
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    Trump’s tariff taxes are hollowing out America’s once world-class economy, much of the business going to Canada (and Mexico, too, to a lesser extent).

    #58591

    Unseen
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    Or…is Mexico going to be the new United States?

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