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  • #2468

    Strega
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    I seldom feel ostracized. What good is burying your head in the sand?

    #2469

    .
    Spectator

    Bad one liner puns about interesting words are one of my idiosyncrasies.

    You should write a coffee table book titled “The Idiosyncratic Method.”

    Crazy multi-million dollar possibilities are my specialty 😉

    #2470

    Unseen
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    So what’s the position on women in the Amish?

    In Fiji at the tribal meetings only the men are permitted to speak. Their wives sit next to them and they tell their men what they want to be said. The men decide whether or not they will say it, depending on whether they agree.

    “In Amish society there is a clear patriarchy in which gender roles are strictly defined. Amish Women are expected to marry, have children and submit to their husband’s will. There is no divorce. It is the responsibility of the wife to care for the children and the household. Her tasks include cooking, cleaning, sewing, gardening and maintaining the general welfare of the family. Only 3% of Amish women have a job outside of the household (Kraybill, 72). The husband is considered the head of the family and has the final say in spiritual and societal matters. At family meals, the husband sits at the head of the table. Despite the elevated position of the husband, major decisions are usually made jointly by husband and wife. Women have a vote in church meetings, but cannot hold positions of authority within the church.” (source)

    As for Fiji, I know that so-called “matriarchy” occurs in some Pacific Islander societies. I put the quotes on it because I wonder if it’s really matriarchy. A friend of mine who spent some time in that part of the world expressed the opinion that women seemed to run the show because the men delegated it to them. The men, he said, would rather go fishing or lay around in hammocks eating fruit or drinking coconut milk. All power ultimately comes from force or regard for potential exercises of force.

    Is what’s wrong with “patriarchy” the “patri” part or the “archy” part. In other words, while some feminists like to extoll the virtues of matriarchy, shouldn’t they really be aiming for a democracy freed of sexual stereotypes and assumptions?

    #2471

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    @strega – women in the Amish society are treated similar to the patriarchal society of most Christians in that they follow rigid gender roles. They are most certainly not empowered by our standards at all.

    @regthefronkeyfarmer the video on cults was nuts. They’re ALL crazy!!! Lol!!!

    I now think all religions are cults.

    #2472

    Unseen
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    BTW, with regards to the Amish, there is the “Rumspringa,” a period in the late teens when Amish youth are allowed to go outside the Amish community to sample “English” life (the rest of the American world outside Amishness is referred to as “English”). They are expected to decide if they are in or out after that period. Either they come back to be full Amish or they will be banished and shunned.

    This is more freedom than most cults allow their members, and so maybe they really aren’t an actual cult but are just a way of life as well as a religion.

    #2473

    Strega
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    ~The only difference between a cult and a religion is the amount of real estate they own~. Frank Zappa

    #2474

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    Spectator

    So what’s the position on women in the Amish?

    In Fiji at the tribal meetings only the men are permitted to speak. Their wives sit next to them and they tell their men what they want to be said. The men decide whether or not they will say it, depending on whether they agree.

    The tribe meetings have another rule. No man may speak if a women is singing. So if the man decides not to say what his woman wants, she starts to sing. All business stops. In support, other women join in the singing. You can see where this is going, can’t you?! So now who controls the meetings?

    Sounds like the man who told me in a BDSM relationship, the submissive has the control….but she can’t say “no” to him.

    I think BDSM is a cult too. More male dominant bullshit.

    #2475

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    How did I manage to discuss the Amish and BDSM in the same breathe?

    #2476

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    Some consider the Mexican culture matriarchal, but at the end of the day it is still the men in control.

    #2477

    Strega
    Moderator

    The difference between a kink and a perversion – kinky people use a feather, perverts use the whole chicken. Or so I’ve heard 🙂

    #2478

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    The difference between a kink and a perversion – kinky people use a feather, perverts use the whole chicken. Or so I’ve heard :)

    LOL!!!!!

    #2479

    Unseen
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    Some consider the Mexican culture matriarchal, but at the end of the day it is still the men in control.

    Generally speaking, men are always in control as long as they are the more physically capable sex, which is likely to be always. Power comes from force (violence) or the anticipation or fear of it. There is intellectual force, of course, but a knock on your door at 3 a.m. by a bunch of jackboots in black masks will cancel that out pretty quick. Even the case of, like, a Ghandi, ultimately it was the fear of the establishment of the potential violence of the people themselves which gave his nonviolent movement its victory. Reason and logic only have force when people are reasonable and logical.

    #2480

    Strega
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    Reason and logic only have force when people are reasonable and logical. I really like that. And since belief, or faith is emotional, I doubt it can ever be countered by reason and logic. Hmmm, conundrum

    #2491

    erock68la
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    Strega said:

    No man may speak if a women is singing. So if the man decides not to say what his woman wants, she starts to sing. All business stops. In support, other women join in the singing. You can see where this is going, can’t you?! So now who controls the meetings?

    Ha ha. A filibuster.

    • This reply was modified 6 years, 3 months ago by  erock68la.
    #2498

    Simon Mathews
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    Ha ha. A filibuster.

    Quite.. Jacob Rees-Mogg would be all over it.

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