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[.Spectator]

I’m not the only one who sees that. The son of the Sifu who trained me when I worked in corrections who himself trains law enforcement and military professionals around the world….agrees with me. I grew up on a fight town.

[jakelafortParticipant]

Unless it is private then boxing is for show.  An MMA fighter against a boxer in a boxing match is going to favor the boxer. And yes it is a spectacle and a sort of bread and circus exhibition but that does not mean that both fighters did not give their best effort.

In terms of stopping fight too early i have no doubt others will feel as you do,  in particular if they had money riding on McGregor.  And i readily concede that it is a judgment call.

[.Spectator]

Anyone who knows McGregor knows he wasn’t done. He’s been way worse in MMA before and the ref didn’t stop the fight.

[.Spectator]

And yes it is a spectacle and a sort of bread and circus exhibition but that does not mean that both fighters did not give their best effort.

If both men had been giving it their best effort in the sense of stopping the fight was quickly as possible it would not have gone 10 rounds.

[jakelafortParticipant]

The fact that refs give more time in MMA or in some boxing matches does not mean that is the right decision. It is great if fighters are fungible goods and cauliflower brains are the objective.

Best effort is marriage of strategy and performance.  A fighter who fails to pace himself and comes out like a wild man…a la a Tank Abbot is not giving best effort to win…although in Tank’s case he seemed so out of shape that it may have been his best strategy.

Think about a person or horse in a race. If the person or horse gives maximum effort early they are bound to tire late unless it is a sprint.  There is an adage in horse racing. Pace makes the race. There is also a school of thought relating to handicapping horse races that evaluates energy distribution. And horses who are used as sacrificial lambs in the pace are upgraded in their subsequent races particularly if they do not figure to encounter the same kind of pace scenario

[.Spectator]

I don’t know anything really about horse racing…but I can tell you that Floyd let this be a show tonight. That was very clear to the trained eye.

[.Spectator]

He even admitted it in the post fight press conference hahahahaha lmfao…300 mil and I’m out people yeah that’s the way to go…50 and 0…

Conor’s only chance was the land his left hook tonight and everyone knows that.

[jakelafortParticipant]

Floyd has a big ego and i don’t take him at face value.

I agree that Conor was never going to outscore Floyd on points. He needed to land a punch that knocked out Floyd. And that is why he was punching very little in early rounds. He was waiting for Conor to tire and avoiding the off-chance of being tagged.  It was sound strategy.

[.Spectator]

Floyd has a big ego and i don’t take him at face value.

It’s not even about taking him at face value. To the fans who know Mayweather know he let McGregor dance a lot longer than he needed to to give a show. It was clear as day.

I agree that Conor was never going to outscore Floyd on points. He needed to land a punch that knocked out Floyd. And that is why he was punching very little in early rounds. He was waiting for Conor to tire and avoiding the off-chance of being tagged.  It was sound strategy.

McGregor wasn’t trying to out score him, I can guarantee McGregor wanted to knock him out.

[jakelafortParticipant]

You appear to be contradicting yourself as to the early stoppage. If it was such a mismatch that Floyd could have taken him out much earlier than how is it that you think the fight was stopped early when he was beginning to land heavy blows and no counters from Conor?

Furthermore the “show” to impress fans would have been a KO, not a TKO,  and the earlier the better.

You reiterated what i said as to Conor needing to land a punch.

[.Spectator]

You appear to be contradicting yourself as to the early stoppage.

No I’m not contradicting anything. It is a FACT that Floyd let him have the first few rounds. He said so himself multiple times…Floyd let this be a show.

Furthermore the “show” to impress fans would have been a KO, not a TKO, and the earlier the better.

Like Floyd said, a win is a win doesn’t matter how it comes…

But I stand by my words, I don’t think Conor was done. I’ve seen him push through much more difficult situations and come out victorious in MMA, he still had fight left in him. But it’s whatever. He’s making over 100 mil from this fight, nothing to complain about.

[jakelafortParticipant]

No,  Floyd was cognizant that Conor is not accustomed to go that many rounds.  He employed the sound strategy of allowing the fight to go on before he made his move.  It was not his purpose to put on a show by extending the fight into later rounds. His dominance and superiority would have been on full display if he waded in and discounted the possibility of being hurt by Conor early in the fight.  THAT would have been a spectacle, a show, wade right in early on and knock Conor out. There was no show at all in throwing very few punches in the early rounds.

Conor’s ability to survive trouble in MMA is not nearly as probative as it is a boxing match against a superior opponent when he is already gassed. He was not throwing anything and he was being hit..he was about to take a beating if fight had not been stopped…that or a KO was coming.

[.Spectator]

It was not his purpose to put on a show by extending the fight into later rounds.

Yes it was. He even said that in the post fight press conference that he wanted to do it for the fans…..He laid out his whole game plan….

[.Spectator]

If that wasn’t his game plan you would have seen “the real Mayweather right out the gate.   The real Mayweather didn’t start showing up til about round 6 and even then…..

[jakelafortParticipant]

What i was saying is that his purpose was to win…there was no fix,  there was no showing off for the fans…in fact the strategy was boring for fans until that final round…but the strategy Floyd used was sound.  And it was a best effort.

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