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  • #38533

    TheEncogitationer
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    Unseen,

    Nice quote from Adams, which is why we’re  Constitutionally a Republic.  Not one mention of the word “democracy” in our Constitution, any more than “God” or  “Christianity.”

    Yes, voting for Representatives requires a majority vote, but Senators (who were once appointed by State Legislatures) may over-rule their proposals.

    Presidents may vetos Bills and make them stillborn as Acts of law. the Supremes may declare Bills that become Acts Unconstitutional if someone with standing brings a case approved by certiorari.  And at grass-roots level, jurors have been known to refuse to prosecute those who disobey laws they hold as unjust or unjustly enforced.

    Our system makes it deliberately hard for anyone to have absolute power, which is a very good thing.

    For decades, the GOP has posed as the law and order party, the party that values and wants to preserve the Constitution. However, clearly, when  push comes to shove, if they can’t get what they want constitutionally and legally, their concerns are so important that the Constitution be damned. They’ll take a fascist dictator along the lines of Vlad Putin or Viktor Orbán if that’s what it takes.

    That mania for absolute rule exists with both Tweedledumb and Tweedledumber Parties (your choice on which is which.)

    This was recently proved with the deliberate, self-admittedly illegal flaunting of private property rights of rental property owners by Sleepy, Creepy, Crazy, Cranky, Tankie, Corn-Pop, Lunch-Bucket, Basement-Bunker Shotgun Joe.

    Now, as a result of the economic uncertainty this causes, landlords are now asking for one year’s deposit on rent and people are scrambling away from investment in rental properties while lumber and standard housing skyrocket in price and dwindle in supply.  Great job, President Geritol-Breath!

    Speaking of both Trump and landlords, I think the economic problems on renting began earlier.  Back in October-November 2020, in the middle of the previous eviction moratorium, my own Property Manager drag-assed about repairing a washer-dryer in my unit.  She appointed a bunch of flakes and flunkies to attempt the job all the while being unreachable in Florida during a Trump-Train shindig.

    (“Ooooh!  We’ve gotta set this nation right!  We’ve got men loving and marrying men and women loving and marrying women and we’ve gotten away from God!!” she says.)

    When she finally got back from Florida and I could get in touch, she sprang me with the news that the property company was going to start charging rent for washer-dryers (!!!)

    As a very good, “deal-is-a-deal” tenant who has paid his rent on time for years before and throughout the crisis, that enfuriated me!   I told the Property Manager that and I said: “Your company is Penny-wise and Sterling-foolish!  Get this White Elephant out of my unit!”

    They got the washer-dryer out by the following Monday without a word between us, but it’s also a pisser they couldn’t do the repair that fast.

    Now I hump laundry up and down stairs and ride to-and-from the laundromat, which kinda sucks, but it’s a little needed workout, gives me peace of mind, and saves me from apoplexy.  Now, if I can just save some butter-‘n’-egg money for my own washer-dryer without getting deemed a “Kulak/Wrecker/Counter-Revolutionary,” I’ll be back to laundry modernity!

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    #38540

    TheEncogitationer
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    Unseen,

    * “Defund the police” typically does not mean what the GOP and conservatives say it means, literally largely doing away with the police. More typically, what it means is shifting, perhaps even within the police departments, some of their funding to de-escalatory approaches rather than just sending a guy with a gun out to solve a problem that’s way above his pay grade.

    What “Defund the Police” means for too many Progressives is depriving the average Citizen not only of privately held arms, but of police protection for times when personal arms aren’t sufficient, yet allowing the Progressive elite rulers all the arms and private security they want.

    Basically, they want a return to Mideaval times when the physically strongest ruled everyone else.  Kinda ironic for a label like Progressive.

    And, of course, “Defund the Police” would never apply to IRS Agents who collect the revenue for Progressive Social Engineering schemes, or BATFE Jackbooted Thugs, or Nanny State patrols for things like cars parked on lawns and plastic straws.  /Very Thick Sarcasm

    As for “de-escalation,” that is not a tactic, but a consequence of tactics that subdue armed offenders and make them stop their initiation of force.  That, combined with Constitutional limits and civilian review, is how police should perform in the field.

    #38542

    TheEncogitationer
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    Robert,

    So many were seething and waiting for their demagogue because an intelligent black man had power.

    No fan of the Covfefe Man, but…who was this other man?  Django?  Morgan Freeman?  Neil deGrasse-Tyson?  Thomas Sowell?  Walter E. Williams?  I didn’t know any of them were Presidents of the United States. 😉

    #38543

    _Robert_
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    Robert,

    So many were seething and waiting for their demagogue because an intelligent black man had power.

    No fan of the Covfefe Man, but…who was this other man? Django? Morgan Freeman? Neil deGrasse-Tyson? Thomas Sowell? Walter E. Williams? I didn’t know any of them were Presidents of the United States. 😉

    Seriously, these arseholes wouldn’t even know who they are, LOL

    #38544

    Unseen
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    @theencogitationer

    Come on, how many landlords are demanding a one-year deposit? No landlords who actually want to get someone into their property.

    What is much more imaginable is OFFERING a significant discount for a prepayment of one year.

    However, you apparently know where landlords are “demanding” a one-year deposit, which is quite an accomplishment because Google doesn’t seem to know about it.

    #38545

    _Robert_
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    Enco, give us the closest example of utopia. It couldn’t be a Nordic country were people are the most well off. That is the opposite of what you want, right? Socialism. It’s not ‘down under’ either. They are fairly Laissez-Faire at least economically but, Oops guns are bad there. Singapore? Don’t spit you gum on the sidewalk. Somalia, maybe? Yemen? They ain’t got much IRS there, right? Surely there is somewhere with little or no government where everybody is good, fair and happy. Where the disabled somehow just get by on their own and businesses don’t dump chemicals in the river of their own accord. Yey !!!

    #38546

    Unseen
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    Enco, give us the closest example of utopia. It couldn’t be a Nordic country were people are the most well off. That is the opposite of what you want, right? Socialism. It’s not ‘down under’ either. They are fairly Laissez-Faire at least economically but, Oops guns are bad there. Singapore? Don’t spit you gum on the sidewalk. Somalia, maybe? Yemen? They ain’t got much IRS there, right? Surely there is somewhere with little or no government where everybody is good, fair and happy. Where the disabled somehow just get by on their own and businesses don’t dump chemicals in the river of their own accord. Yey !!!

    I suspect that well over 90% of the people who have opinions on the matters couldn’t supply a mostly-correct definition of “socialism,” “Marxism,” “communism,” or even “capitalism.”

    In the American right, if the term “socialism” comes up at all, you’re referred to Stalin killing millions or Pol Pot’s killing fields or the excesses of Fidel Castro and Che Guevara. Almost nobody has studied Marx enough to speak intelligently about the most important and durable part of his theories which is his analysis of labor. No country is seriously actively communist even when they name their system communism, not even China.

    When it comes to capitalism, it can be defined two basic ways: 1) it’s the system where private individuals or entities own and manage the means of production or 2) Marx’s analysis, which is that it’s slavery with a pink bow around it. You have to work in order to survive so no bullwhips and raging dogs are necessary. You contribute your labor to producing value, but someone else gets most of the benefit of that value. You are paid the bare minimum that gets you into the workplace in the morning, even if it’s not enough to live on.

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    #38549

    Unseen
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    #38556

    TheEncogitationer
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    Robert,

    Seriously, these arseholes wouldn’t even know who they are, LOL

    They knew who they were and know who are better than “The One” Barack Hussein Obama (Mmm!   Mmm!   Mmm!)

    Obama had to “evolve” a position on same-sex marriage that the Libertarian Party had from day one in 1971 and which the Party’s predecessors such as John Henry McKay had in the late 1800s.

    Obama also couldn’t make up his mind on Iraq or on Guantanamo, and bowed and scraped before Saudi Sheikhs and did an apology tour before the Islamic world.  (Which, of course, does not make him a Muslim, just their “useful idiot.”)

    Not one of the men I cited would do any of that.  (And like Sidney Poitier in Guess Who’s Coming To Dinner?, I don’t think of them as “intelligent black men,” just intelligent men.)

    #38557

    TheEncogitationer
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    Unseen,

    Somebody was trying to swing it before COVID-19, so you you know they’ll try it in the midst of a crisis too:

    I’m Getting 1 Year Rent Upfront, Pet Deposits, & Damage Deposits…And You Can Too!

    I’m Getting 1 Year Rent Upfront, Pet Deposits, & Damage Deposits…And You Can Too!

     

    #38562

    TheEncogitationer
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    Jake,

    Maybe Biden should not only initiate the weekly talks i mentioned but inspire a grass roots movement that is wrapped in the flag. Portray the current struggle as an attack that is akin to Pearl Harbor. At that time the country came together and real sacrifices were made. People went overseas to fight fascism and to protect their nation. Many died. Women took men’s jobs in factories. There were rations. Kids did volunteer work. Just cuz ya can’t see the smaller virus and ya can see the larger virus does not mean the one is not as big an existential risk as the other.

    But get people involved. And educate the bejesus out of citizens. Flip the script. Make the intransigent and ignorant republicans the traitors.

    You may not want to take aspirin in the middle of your fever dream.  Reyes Syndrome can be a real deadly bitch.

    “Rations?”  Giga-Wut?

    Who needs rationing?  2 percent of the U.S. (1 percent farmers, 1 percent farm support professions) produce enough food to feed our species and livestock across the entire Planet, with untold tons of waste to spare!

    Simple private 8’x10′ plots combined with the techniques of The Green Revolution raised 2 billion human beings in Asia out of starvation.  And private ownership of factories out of the hands of Indian bureaucrats and the Chinese People’s Liberation Army could do even better for the people too.

    (Africa could have this Free-Market bounty as well if they threw off every kleptocratic leader who uses food as a blackmail tool, throws out their producers, seizes private businesses for dumb cronies who run them in the ground, and plunders foreign aid for gold-plated Rolls-Royces, shopping sprees on the Concord, and statues of Adolf Hitler (Mingistu, Mugabe, Mobutu, Nkomo, Amin, Bokassa, etc., etc., etc.)

    And it’s not like ABMs, ICBMs, and drone bombers need C-Rations and a pack of Lucky Strikes to do their work!  Plus, human Special Forces, Rangers, Green Berets, Navy Seals, and Marine Recon and even conventional forces are all “trained to live off nature’s land” if pressed.

    Anywho, rationing is not a thing and was resisted via the black-market even when it was used.  A good thing too.  Invaders need to know what they would be up against if they broke through and took over.

    And another anywho, nobody is going to do all you propose for the present Mad King Ludwig/Baron Munchausen we have in the Oval Office.

     

    #38564

    Unseen
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    Unseen, Somebody was trying to swing it before COVID-19, so you you know they’ll try it in the midst of a crisis too: I’m Getting 1 Year Rent Upfront, Pet Deposits, & Damage Deposits…And You Can Too!

    I’m Getting 1 Year Rent Upfront, Pet Deposits, & Damage Deposits…And You Can Too!

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    I guess it depends upon the segment of the market you are in. Few people (in the U.S.) could swing that amount of money. (Maybe if you set them up with a monthly payment plan LOL). I can tell you, google’s lack of examples tells me this isn’t a “thing” yet.

    #38565

    jakelafort
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    Enco, so you stand by the demonstrably false expect a different result?

    I believe Reye’s Syndrome afflicts kids, not old fuckerz like myself.

    Jesus Enco your reading comprehension is not good. I mentioned rations because it was one of the sacrifices Americans made during WW2. Were i prez i would liken the need for sacrifice and the sacrifice being comparatively mild to the last great war. Flip the script instead of listening to right wing morons making it about freedom.

    https://www.nps.gov/articles/rationing-in-wwii.htm

    #38570

    TheEncogitationer
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    Robert,

    Enco, give us the closest example of utopia. It couldn’t be a Nordic country were people are the most well off. That is the opposite of what you want, right? Socialism. It’s not ‘down under’ either. They are fairly Laissez-Faire at least economically but, Oops guns are bad there. Singapore? Don’t spit you gum on the sidewalk. Somalia, maybe? Yemen? They ain’t got much IRS there, right? Surely there is somewhere with little or no government where everybody is good, fair and happy. Where the disabled somehow just get by on their own and businesses don’t dump chemicals in the river of their own accord. Yey !!!

    While Utopia literally means “No Place,” there are plenty of ways a place can be much better.

    My ideal spot for now would have:

    The Secularism of New England in general;

    The non-existent Income and Sales Taxes, minimal regulations, minimal gun policies, and low crime of New Hampshire in particular (“Live Free Or Die” is their official State Motto;)

    The entertainment freedom of Las Vegas, Nevada (Yowsah!)

    Sane alcohol and drug policies like the Netherlands and then some, that treat adults as adults, makes selling and buying legal and safe and treat drug problems medically, not punitively;

    Fiscally-sound, zero-based budgeting at all government levels.  Equal income and output.  A surplus means they taxed too much and need to give it back;

    Real estate low-cost enough for a flat in the city and a hobby homestead in the country, with a clear, pothole-free path in between;

    Inclusion for all newcomers who are peaceful, bonest, and self-supporting.  And the sign at the border would say: “Welcome!  Whatever brought you here, leave it there, and otherwise, live and let live and have fun!”

    Somalia and Yemen were never an option, as they are ran by Islamic warlords who practice Sha’ria law.  Also, “Progressives” no longer can cite Somalia against libertarians because most “Progressive”-run cities in the U.S. have all the worst features of Somalia right now.

     

     

    #38572

    Unseen
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    Robert,

    Enco, give us the closest example of utopia. It couldn’t be a Nordic country were people are the most well off. That is the opposite of what you want, right? Socialism. It’s not ‘down under’ either. They are fairly Laissez-Faire at least economically but, Oops guns are bad there. Singapore? Don’t spit you gum on the sidewalk. Somalia, maybe? Yemen? They ain’t got much IRS there, right? Surely there is somewhere with little or no government where everybody is good, fair and happy. Where the disabled somehow just get by on their own and businesses don’t dump chemicals in the river of their own accord. Yey !!!

    While Utopia literally means “No Place,” there are plenty of ways a place can be much better. My ideal spot for now would have: The Secularism of New England in general; The non-existent Income and Sales Taxes, minimal regulations, minimal gun policies, and low crime of New Hampshire in particular (“Live Free Or Die” is their official State Motto;) The entertainment freedom of Las Vegas, Nevada (Yowsah!) Sane alcohol and drug policies like the Netherlands and then some, that treat adults as adults, makes selling and buying legal and safe and treat drug problems medically, not punitively; Fiscally-sound, zero-based budgeting at all government levels. Equal income and output. A surplus means they taxed too much and need to give it back; Real estate low-cost enough for a flat in the city and a hobby homestead in the country, with a clear, pothole-free path in between; Inclusion for all newcomers who are peaceful, bonest, and self-supporting. And the sign at the border would say: “Welcome! Whatever brought you here, leave it there, and otherwise, live and let live and have fun!” Somalia and Yemen were never an option, as they are ran by Islamic warlords who practice Sha’ria law. Also, “Progressives” no longer can cite Somalia against libertarians because most “Progressive”-run cities in the U.S. have all the worst features of Somalia right now.

    How about putting workers in charge of the companies in which they are employed so that profits and the welfare of employees are given equal weight?

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