Artificial Intelligence

[jakelafort]

100 percent analogy is a contradiction in terms. If there is no line of demarcation, no variation and no way to distinguish things being compared then it is not an analogy.

Seems to me speaker’s typically convey something negative when they point out a tautology. It is a needless repetition. Pointing out a tautology is a way to rebuke a speaker in a debate.

Analogy typically helps the listener to understand a concept that might be opaque. “Oh it is like that. Well i know about that. So now it is like this and like that. I understand this so i understand that.”

[TheEncogitationer]

Reg:

I would like to quibble…I might be wrong so won’t swear on the holey bibble….but would a 100% analogy not be an ‘identity’? A tautology is a statement true by its logical form. An analogy that matched in every respect would simply describe the same thing twice?

You are right on all counts, Reg. A 100 percent perfect analogy is an “identity”, namely The Law of Identity, as in A is A, a thing is what it is. And because it is Non-Contradictory, it is true by logical form and thus a tautology.

As Saturday Night Live observed in the commercial:

Floor Wax = New Shimmer™ = Dessert Topping.

And again quoting Euclid:

“Two things equal to the same thing are equal to each other,”

When it comes to tautologies, either I’m being pedantic, or I’m not being pedantic. As for similes, what are they like?

Shhhh! Don’t say it too loud around QAnon-ers that you are pedantic. QAnon-ers don’t have a vocabulary that goes as far as yours, so they may mistake a friendly but annoying trait with something truly evil, albeit not found in evidence where they think.

Oh, and when you see a Qanon-er withe the logo WWGOWGA (“When We Go One, We Go All”) just wave and say “‘Bye!” and point to the nearest manhole or ditch.

As for similies, John Prince observed that Kentucky similies may not be mentionable in polite society, though his similies were quite entertaining. “It’s A Big Ol’ Goofy World.” A-Huk!

I know I may have posted this video earlier, but since we’re talking about 100 perfect analogies, The Law of Identity, and Tautologies, well. It Is What It Is!
😁=😁

[TheEncogitationer]

Jake:

100 percent analogy is a contradiction in terms. If there is no line of demarcation, no variation and no way to distinguish things being compared then it is not an analogy.

Recall, I said: “Obviously, no analogy is 100 percent perfect, otherwise, it would be a tautology.”. So we are saying the same thing, only differently.

By the way, my words on analogy and tautology above are, by the power invested in me by the town of Kookieville, public domain. You, Reg, and others may use them without attribution.

Seems to me speaker’s typically convey something negative when they point out a tautology. It is a needless repetition. Pointing out a tautology is a way to rebuke a speaker in a debate.

A speaker can use a tautology to emphasize the reality and Non-Contradictory nature of his subject to doubters, with further elaboration to follow. Whether it is negative is the opinion of the beholder.

There’s nothing wrong with a tautology. It’s just that, by itself, it’s not explanatory.

Example used in a sentence with an embedded sentence: “‘Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.’ said Sigmond Freud in reference back to his application of the term ‘phallic symbol.'”.

The explanation of the source and reference of the tautology helps make the subject of the tautology more clear. (Hoo-boy! You won’t find this on Schoolhouse Rock! 🚭🍆🥒🥕😁)

Analogy typically helps the listener to understand a concept that might be opaque. “Oh it is like that. Well i know about that. So now it is like this and like that. I understand this so i understand that.”

You are correct. Sir. Analogies are indeed helpful when the imparted new knowledge of the speaker or writer fits in with the context of previous knowledge of the listener or reader (respectively.)

We’re all on the same page. It’s just we’re in different paragraphs. Or maybe one’s on the paper cut edge and one is fighting the silverfish and one is in the coffee spill. 😁

[jakelafort]

100 percent analogy is not analogy. Just is not. Identical twins are comparable and analogizable. (new word is like a neologism.) Yet they’re not identical and thus proper subjects. Once identity is evident it is properly tautology time. Never the twain shall meet..

“As for similes, what are they like?” If we can only answer a simile with a simile then similar and identical merge.

[jakelafort]

Woops,

I think i see now what i missed then. Reg is using 100%/analogy as a tautology thus enabling an identity. Ok.

[TheEncogitationer]

Jake:

100 percent analogy is not analogy. Just is not.

This is precisely what I’ve been saying. To use a simile of my own, looking for a 100 percent analogy is like sending some on a prank errand to buy a Non-Genetically Modified Seedless Watermelon. Doesn’t exist. (Nor for that matter does any Non-Genetically Modified food since the time humans have domesticated crops and livestock.)

This might be a fun prank to do with Palestinianists, since the watermelon is one of their symbols and Left-Wingers have a knee-jerk hate of Genetic Modification.

Watermelon as a Palestinian Symbol–Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watermelon_as_a_Palestinian_symbol

Identical twins are comparable and analogizable…Yet they’re not identical and thus proper subjects. Once identity is evident it is properly tautology time. Never the twain shall meet…

This is true. Even “identical” twins can have different placement of internal organs, among other differences.

(new word is like a neologism.)

It’s not just “like”. By the definition of Latin prefixes, root words, and suffixes, neologism and new word are identical. Or is your sense of humor as subtle and quintuple-smooth as Reg’s and mine?

“As for similes, what are they like?” If we can only answer a simile with a simile then similar and identical merge.

I’m sure someone of the Hippie Generation has tried, since they, like, put the word “like” in the middle of, like, every sentence, like, at least a few, like times, and, like, always, man!
🧔‍♀️🙋‍♀️☮️🧘🏼

[TheEncogitationer]

Fellow Unbelievers:

An interesting article pitting one flavor of Doomers vs. another Flavor of Doomers:

How the bad science of AI doomerism is good for big business
There is no clear path showing that today’s AI systems will lead to superintelligence, much less a basis for calculating the probability of doom.

How the bad science of AI doomerism is good for big business

It is true that AI Doomers haven’t presented any details of how AI would doom Humanity nor any evidence behind their prognostications of AI Doom.

At the same time, the article doesn’t explain how prognostications of AI Doom are a selling proposition for Big Business, nor how the prognosticators are “Rationalists.”

Another scenario where I hope everyone loses and loses big.

Meanwhile, I’ve encountered more AI SNAFUs for later.

[PopeBeanie]

I’ve said here a few times now, I believe the problem will be “bad actors”. It’s increasingly easy for bad actors to use AI to benefit themselves or promote self-serving profits or an idealism, with potentially horrible consequences.

AI is already able to design human gene-editing processes, with abilities to edit any other species on the way, including pandemic-enhanced pathogens. And in the hands of authoritarians, or even of highly partisan politicians, AI is already helping those in power hang onto and increase their power. We’re seeing unscrupulous politicians, even in USA are use new AI tools manipulate markets, and widely disseminate misinformation, well targeted to specific groups of (dominantly stupid, clueless) citizens.

That’s not to say that I believe that government can invent and enforce reasonable regulations, especially when they see opportunities to fund and own abusive-capable AI.

Consider how theocracies like Iran’s would be overtly excited to “change the world for the glory of Allah”. (They murder they’re own citizens with that in mind.)

[jakelafort]

Pick your pathogen.

Pick your path.

Doomsday equation aint funny math.

In the hands of lefties/Islamists/Dictators…

How shit unfolds nobody knows. A grim and dire outcome however it flows. Reminds me of negligence law in torts and one of the elements is of course causation. Duty, breach, causation and damages if memory serves/today i learned that i was wrong in placing pumice number 1 Mohs hardness scale. Remember that one back in the day?

So when we ponder the future it is not the knowledge that x will deterministically result from y. It is just that bad shit will ensue if y. That is the test in proximate cause. AI is x and bad shit is y. Now there may be intervening factors which stop the chain of causation. Putin is making some threats…

[TheEncogitationer]

Fellow Unbelievers:

Yesterday, I encountered a man with an AI made T-Shirt that had a set of praying hands with the glow and radiance that you see in a lot of AI portrayals and the words around the hands said, and I quote:

“Only God Can Me Judge Me!”

Without intending an argument on theology, I simply pointed out to the man that the T-Shirt said “Me” twice. And the man replied: “Oh, I didn’t notice that.”

I asked him where he got the T-Shirt and he said, “Oh, I got it as a Birthday gift.”

I then asked if the gift-giver had it made with AI. He then said he wasn’t certain, 4Imprint™ or otherwise. I then said it looked like an AI creation and explained they frequently make such mistakes.

All the while I wondered: “What would a real Superintelligence have done? Wouldn’t it have proofread such a mistake?”

“Might the superintelligence have told the maker of the T-Shirt that a God such as referred to is a self-contradictory being with contradictory attributes and contradicts Natural Laws?”

“Would it also have said that there are other rational beings that can and should also make judgements of the T-Shirt wearer?”

“Would the superintelligence have played this video from Hizzhonor Dewey ‘Pigmeat’ Markham, said by some to be the original Hip-Hop/R&B Rapper from 1968?”:

As long as there are thinking beings, they have to make judgements. That means both us and our digital progeny.

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[TheEncogitationer]

PopeBeanie and Fellow Unbelievers:

Speaking of Bad Actors, Bobby Brainworm is now saying that AI is more reliable than the medical expertise of Doctors and that AIs can be trusted to give valid second medical opinions:

I say not until AI reaches Superintelligence and not until it absorbs all that is taught in Pre-Med Education and Medical School Education and Continuing Education. And if AI is synced with Mecha-Robots and conducts operations, it should require the same Residencies as human Doctors, so that the Superintelligence can pick up the nuances and subtle hacks and tricks of physical surgery.

And besides, how could AI Superintelligence interact with and benefit humans if Bobby Brainworm litigates and regulates away The Information Age and it’s WiFi and 4G/5G/6G technology?

[TheEncogitationer]

Fellow Unbelievers:

Beth Mole of Ars Technica got a second opinion of Bobby Brainworm’s views on masks, social distancing, and vaccines from both Google’s GeminiAI and ChatGPT. Both contradict him:

RFK Jr. thinks AI will free us from the “tyranny” of medical facts, expertise
AI is far from a perfect resource. But it seems to hallucinate less than Kennedy.
Beth Mole – Sep 30, 2026 3:31 PM | 128
https://arstechnica.com/health/2026/09/rfk-jr-says-ai-backs-his-anti-vaccine-views-we-checked-it-doesnt/

Always fun to do mental Jiu-Jitsu on a enemy of Enlightenment!

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[TheEncogitationer]

Jake:

Pick your pathogen.

Pick your path.

Doomsday equation aint funny math.

In the hands of lefties/Islamists/Dictators…

How shit unfolds nobody knows. A grim and dire outcome however it flows. Reminds me of negligence law in torts and one of the elements is of course causation. Duty, breach, causation and damages if memory serves/today i learned that i was wrong in placing pumice number 1 Mohs hardness scale. Remember that one back in the day?

So when we ponder the future it is not the knowledge that x will deterministically result from y. It is just that bad shit will ensue if y. That is the test in proximate cause. AI is x and bad shit is y. Now there may be intervening factors which stop the chain of causation. Putin is making some threats…

I think you reversed the x and y there , but I got what you’re saying.

You are right that it’s hard to say what may come from AI. But for the time being, there is lots of Venn Diagram overlap between AI Doomers/opponents of data centers and the Woke Left/Islamists. Maybe they’ll be too scared to touch AI.

Putin, however, embraces AI precisely for it’s Doomy potentials. We can only hope his icy sitz baths give him hypothermia and he ends up like Dull Boy Jack in The Shining.🥶

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