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Pope: Funny thing though, I haven’t even thought about whether my half-Asian daughters consider themselves POC, or how they feel about the label.

Halfs go to the other half. I am half jewish but seen as jewish…never irish or french. Obama was half white but is always black. Look our first black prez so we are doin fine fine. I betya anything y…[Read more]

Pope,

As to being well read i was an animal from age 6 to beginning of law school. Thereafter i would feel guilty if i were not reading law so i curtailed the bajasus out of reading. I am extremely well versed in the racing form though!

I think you may be insinuating that my interpretation of POC is idiosyncratic and personal and therefore…[Read more]

Pope, no doubt POC is mainstream. Does that make it okay?

Pre-emancipation Whites called Blacks a host of hurtful names like nigger, negro, colored, picaninny and darky. The ring conveys a sting and produces imagery that is shameful. Those ugly tags were mainstream and contemporary expressions of racism. Being mainstream is in itself…[Read more]

My eyebrows, what’s left of em, were raised immediately upon skimming that article by Torres. He starts by praising the noted atheists and then reduces his praise to the point of damnation. In essence they’re not smarter than little kids. Says he, Not that Harris, Dawkins and Hitchens were saying anything particularly novel — the i…[Read more]

Davis,

Get the point. He is hallucinating. Those are lines from the movie, Karate Kid.

And yeah i feel a lot of Enco’s ideas are nonsense and taken on faith instead of analysis. However he no doubt feels similarly about my ideas. I share a dislike for Phil Torres at least based on that one article but for different reasons.

Encogitationer is hallucinating. Get the point.

Somehow the Religion part of the equation escaped my awareness. That is a really cool thing to do and i don’t think you will be offended if i adopt that move. I bet some theists ascribe the placement to the devil. I have written some shit in hotel/motel bibles but that is fairly common i suspect.

Reg…If you are ever in a bookshop and see that book in the religion section, I was recently in that store.

Reg that flew right over my head as though i were an ultracrepidarianistic land bird being eyed by circling vultures. Not really but i have no clue what you mean.

Person of colour in official usage is dated to at least the 1807 Act that ended the African slave trade.

There would be no importation of “any negro, mulatto, or person of colour with intent to hold, sell, or dispose of such negro, mulatto, or person of colour, as a slave, or to be held to service or labour.” Later there are state statutes that…[Read more]

Unseen what is your opinion of the Grifters article?

I would be remiss if i did not mention that Koko the gorilla named her beloved cat, All Ball. Koko loved that cat so…

The standard balls are white. White soccer balls. They’re just soccer balls-balls that set the standard. Truth be told almost all soccer balls aspires to be white.

The other balls are known as balls of color. Balls of color is a label reserved for the OTHER BALLS. They’re grouped together because they are perceived as special by the standard…[Read more]

The first time i heard the label POC it hit me viscerally. Then I thought about it and decided my gut reaction was right. And every time i have considered it since i have found it indefensible. Sure, a community can call itself what it chooses. But names matter. Choose poorly and damage is inflicted. How many kids will grow up and be impacted by…[Read more]

Autumn, i am pretty sure we will just go round and round on the merry go round. So I will pass except to acknowledge that yes Colored and POC is virtually identical. POC adopts the language and spirit of Colored. Signs on rest rooms used to have WHITE & COLORED. Would the segregation have been ameliorated by WHITE & PEOPLE OF COLOR?

Autumn you wrote that i was perpetuating the connotations of Colored. I denied it. I oppose racism so i oppose racist terms to describe groups of people. Thus i am in favor of abandoning language tinged by racism. You know Colored is a pejorative term so when you write…something that isn’t there if it ever was…you are being disingenuous. You…[Read more]

Autumn wrote:

You are perpetuating the connotations of ‘colored’, here in this thread. Millions of other people have been able to use ‘People of Colour’ as a distinct term with distinct meaning. Why is it you won’t allow the distinction? Or do you think it’s an example of taking the word back’?

i am not perpetuating anything. Lucky if there are…[Read more]

Autumn, it is not a presumption of a mistake. It is MY ASSESSMENT. In fact i have acknowledged implicitly that it is a conscientious decision by saying good intentions. The ole boys knew nothing about eumelanin or melanin or even watermelon. Well maybe watermelon… And it has been said the road to perdition is paved with good intentions.

I am…[Read more]

Autumn i was not even aware of BIPOC.
You wrote…While the term is not above reproach and is not without its complications, it’s bizarre that you are making it all about what white people think. There isn’t going to be a term that assists in the discussion of white prejudices and bigotry that erases the very target of that bigotry.

I app…[Read more]

Yeah that was some shit from Silverman. But i don’t think he belongs in the same category as some of the others. He is no intellectual. I heard him speak and corrected him on some points. He was good at mixing it up with Bill O’Reilly and helping to bring acceptance of atheists but as an intellectual? Nope.

People of color is just an ugly expansion of the former racist label, Coloreds; it is a euphemism or apology for pigment that offends Whites. And it is strictly from the vantage or perspective of Whites who only see color in others and not in themselves. It is a ridiculous fiction that ought to be repudiated and defenestrated as it is the badge of…[Read more]