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Keep in mind fullermingjr that i am an anti-theist, not an ANTI THEIST. I hate the sin. Not the sinner!

The question of an objective basis for morality is one step removed from an objective basis for proof of our existence. I believe that evolution has given mammals a sense of right and wrong. We and other animals have mirror neurons that enable…[Read more]

fullermingjr, you are a human being first. Do you ask if genocide is wrong, if gang rape is wrong, if forced starvation is wrong?

Christianity co=opted a lot more than just golden rule. I agree with ethologists that other animals have it too.

No argument that words have connotations and denotations. You correctly identified filthy as one of…[Read more]

It occurs to me that the trappings of modernity divorce us from our innate sense of right and wrong. Military indoctrinates its members to devalue/dehumanize/destroy. Religion, especially when it is hard core causes its members to hate who th ey would not naturally hate, to kill who they would not naturally kill, to ostracize those they would not…[Read more]

fullermingjr, it is astonishing that you seek a non faith based reason to condemn slavery and the confederacy. First of all the faithful who were not slaves were largely in favor of slavery, not opposed to it. Forget all the BS. Just be a human. The golden role as aforementioned makes the issue a no-brainer. I don’t know whether you are…[Read more]

To me the more significant test of Christianity is how it operates rather than how it is philosophically constructed. Stealing precious cash from the poor/indoctrinating the defenseless young and ignorant, fraudulently altering the behavior and lives of its victims with false promises and representations is a consistent theme. If this were not…[Read more]

Human logic…as such it is flawed and subject to the foibles and conceits of our species. Having said that it comes down to the swing states. Not since Lincoln has there been a more polarizing prez. A preponderance of his base is imperturbable. But he will leak dandruff because not all of his adherents are cultists. Some are selfish pricks who…[Read more]

Biden in a landslide

Reg, that was informative. I did not know about the continuation of slavery in Abyssinia. All the shit on cnn, msnbc and fox and to my knowledge this anachronistic travesty is uncovered.

You can find the Catholic Church on the wrong side of every issue: its intransigence in failing to respect autonomy of women, its opposition to universal…[Read more]

fullermingjr, from my perspective it is simple. It is the golden rule. We know it is wrong because we can envision ourselves or loved ones being slaves. Discard the religious imposition of morality (which is a reflection of the power structure and in turn unjust) and liberate one’s judgment. One is free to have empathy/compassion and to use reason…[Read more]

Fullermingjr, I do not know what atheist perspective means with respect to slavery. There is a human perspective. It is so outstandingly a violation of decency that it hardly needs examination. And what is an atheist perspective? There is no such thing. You won’t find a monolith among atheists.

Yeah Robert that is why i originally quoted Twain…show me where a man gets his corn pone and i will show you where he gets his pinions. Bottom line is that rights are taken not given. Humans suck the world over. I don’t understand historians who get all teary-eyed and nostalgic. Maybe some primitive people ought to be excluded..not sure…i…[Read more]

Even so Robert you can’t utilize the founder’s frame of reference at inception of union. There is a famous quote that escapes me…author and text…but it is something like..the only thing worse than a revolutionary government is a reform government. (maybe it was Lincoln Steffens) So the revolutionary fighters who fight against oppression become…[Read more]

Even if you think slavery is the dispositive issue Jefferson may have been moved by the change in zeitgeist by 1861. Couple his deep seated misgivings with the anti slavery speakers, publications and stirrings…maybe Jefferson does the right thing.

Yeah, that is right Reg, he did free his slaves. So that one is a no brainer.

Robert, I am pretty sure they were whigs. George Washington is the star of the revolutionary war. He rejected kingship when offered. I think he was intent on a democracy and a sovereign nation. Sure he had slaves but did he need them or put the ownership of them above the country itself? I don’t think so. He would have seen the act as sedition and…[Read more]

Oh, and also those dead guys would have been union. The issue of slavery is not paramount. Just like Lincoln who did not give a dead rat’s cock about slavery preservation of the union would have been numero uno.

Unseen, you tell me where a man gets his corn pone…i will tell ya where he gets his pinions.

For a gold star who said that?