Biden should pardon Trump

[Unseen]

But…would Trump even accept a pardon?

[Reg the Fronkey Farmer]

I claim the 5th.

[Belle Rose]

Wait. What? Pardon Trump? WHY????

Trump deserves to rot in a jail cell in a suit that matches his hair color and spray tan makeup.

[Unseen]

Belle Rose wrote:

Wait. What? Pardon Trump? WHY???? Trump deserves to rot in a jail cell in a suit that matches his hair color and spray tan makeup.

I grant that’s a satisfying image, but here’s the thing: When you accept a pardon you confess to being guilty. If Trump confesses to a felony, he then can’t run for President again. So which do you want more: Trump behind bars or Trump ineligible to run for the  presidency. To to prison, he’d have to lose a trial, but there’s always the possibility of a win in court.

Trump wants to be President but even more he wants to avoid the orange jumpsuit.

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You’d have to imagine even without the pardon, if convicted he’d be serving his sentence in relative comfort possibly never seeing the inside of a cell. If I were American, I’d also favour a pardon if it would disqualify him from the presidency.

I don’t think he would take it—I don’t know if he believes anything out there can truly burst his bubble to that degree—but who knows for sure with him.

[Unseen]

Autumn wrote:

You’d have to imagine even without the pardon, if convicted he’d be serving his sentence in relative comfort possibly never seeing the inside of a cell. If I were American, I’d also favour a pardon if it would disqualify him from the presidency. I don’t think he would take it—I don’t know if he believes anything out there can truly burst his bubble to that degree—but who knows for sure with him.

It turns out a person can run for office and even govern from a prison cell, though the latter wouldn’t be all that easy.

There might be an even smarter Plan B, which would be to run Donald Trump Jr., then if he wins he could pardon his father.

So far, though, we’re talking only about Federal law and prisons. He’s in serious jeopardy in both New York (tax and bank fraud) and Georgia (election tampering). Those convictions would be beyond the reach of any Federal pardon.

So, why would he take a presidential pardon which, one assumes, would be conditional upon him not running for President? To simplify his life by eliminating his Federal legal liabilities.

If Trump were to be convicted on the Federal level, it’s a dead certainty that he’d end up in one of the low-security prisons nicknamed “Club Fed.” There’s no way he’d end up in a general population prison. Why? First, he’s not a danger to anyone else while, in the general population, he’d be in serious jeopardy 24 hours a day.

Still, it’s a highly regimented life unlike anything he’s used to and totally lacking in privacy. No gold toilets, no expensive clothes or limo rides, no golf, no way to put himself out in the public eye, which is something he’s almost addicted to, it seems.

I think there’s half a chance he’d take a pardon on condition he not run for President. There’s more than half a chance he’d end up in a New York or Georgia prison, and if they have no cushy low-security prisons, he could end up in years upon years of house arrest, which for him would be like Hell on Earth.

[Reg the Fronkey Farmer]

It’s getting interesting now in New York with this ruling that a tyranny of Trumps must attend a civil investigation into their business practices.

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Unseen wrote:

Autumn wrote:

You’d have to imagine even without the pardon, if convicted he’d be serving his sentence in relative comfort possibly never seeing the inside of a cell. If I were American, I’d also favour a pardon if it would disqualify him from the presidency. I don’t think he would take it—I don’t know if he believes anything out there can truly burst his bubble to that degree—but who knows for sure with him.

It turns out a person can run for office and even govern from a prison cell, though the latter wouldn’t be all that easy. There might be an even smarter Plan B, which would be to run Donald Trump Jr., then if he wins he could pardon his father.

I see. There is:

Section 4 The President, Vice President and all Civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors.

But I guess that is specific to the Impeachment process rather than a general prohibition wrt criminal offences.

[Belle Rose]

@Unseen I see your point but I don’t think he would EVER roll over and take a “pardon” from Joe Biden. I can’t imagine a world where that would actually happen.

[Unseen]

Belle Rose wrote:

@unseen I see your point but I don’t think he would EVER roll over and take a “pardon” from Joe Biden. I can’t imagine a world where that would actually happen.

I’m pretty sure he also doesn’t want to rot in one of Joe Biden’s prisons.

[Belle Rose]

@Unseen yes but if they throw him in prison for his MANY crimes, he’ll by default also not be able to run for President again…so we kill two birds with one stone and shut him up at the same time….finally….right??

[Reg the Fronkey Farmer]

@Belle Rose – While we are waiting –

[TheEncogitationer]

Unseen,

My question is: Would accepting a pardon disqualify someone from running for the position?

[Unseen]

TheEncogitationer wrote:

Unseen, My question is: Would accepting a pardon disqualify someone from running for the position?

No, it alone wouldn’t. However, with some conditions it probably could. And there are good reasons for accepting a pardon with conditions if it removes the prospect of doing time in a Federal prison and allows him to concentrate on defending himself from the likely state charges in New York State (various frauds) and Georgia (election tampering).

Of course, in typical Trump fashion, if he accepts the pardon, which effectively would mean pleading guilty as charged, he will present it to the people in his political bubble as a smart move that doesn’t really mean he’s guilty. Remember, he’s the guy who likes to portray his many bankruptcies as smart business machinations, not really failures of any sort.

[jakelafort]

My feeling is that the criminal investigation of Trump’s business and business practices ought to be ended. Nothing about a crooked businessman will resonate with his supporters. Every other prominent business person cheats.

Treason is front and center. Our democracy and way of life is at stake. And it may not be Trump who is the next dictator. Confront the issues now. The next election is going to be volatile and jeopardizes everything. Not just Trump…all of the conspirators are fair game. Expose the ugly underbelly of the beast before it is too late…

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