Cost benefit analysis – the welfare trap

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    _Robert_
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    Who would ever think you could make a living as a social media “influencer”? It is a real job right now.

    A basic income for everyone goes against the economic principal that money represents the labor that creates goods and services. I have listened to Ted talks on this and they are not clear on how this new economy works. Are people paid to simply not revolt? Is that where you think we are headed?

     

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    Davis
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    Some people never contribute as much as they gain

     

    A lot of people get hung up on social parasites. Let’s take those with serious addictions and social problems and the general crowd of fuck-ups who will almost certainly end up on the street given assistance or not (that includes a family member of mine who’d be on the streets without these programs). While you cannot compare them to the group of people stuck by no fault of their own, the question is, should they rot in the gutter because of that? Forget the moral implications (which in my opinion is the most important) but the consequences of not helping them. Crime, unsafe streets, homelessness, poverty, hunger, abuse, cruelty, early death, unhealthy enviroment, toxic enviroment as well as the children and family members who suffer along with it. That’s what awaits societies that don’t assist those who need assistance. You can see that in many states that don’t adequately provide assistance (go check out the inner-city slums of Detroit or Baltimore or Newark). They are some of the scariest and saddest places I have ever seen…in a country that could easily easily afford these programs. People avoid downtown at night and even in suburbs they take taxis after midnight to avoid muggings. It’s hard to get the image of crazy people pushing a shopping cart with their dirty possessions on dilapidated streets so gone they’re barely able to walk covered with scars from being attacked recently…out of your mind. Harder is watching the children who grow up in these neighbourhoods. It is burnt into my memory. How? Why? Seriously?

    Yes, freeloading is unjust. People who don’t contribute should do it. It isn’t fair that people have to pay for those who gave up on their problems…or gave up on life. But the alternative of not offering assistance is ghastly, cruel and toxic for everyone.

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    _Robert_
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    Personally, I would like to see the US become more of a socialist democracy. A more equitable distribution of wealth would be difficult to obtain, the wealthy will fight it and possibly even incite political unrest with their huge resources.

    Scandinavian countries are pulling it off rather well….however even Sweden is suffering from the recent immigration wave and apparently they are getting a taste of what it is like to be a “melting pot.”

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    _Robert_
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    Making useful education available to all is probably the best form of welfare. Degrees and certifications that will result in obtaining real careers.

    The worse form of welfare just enables a vicious cycle much like a drug dealer strings out users. Keep people just satisfied enough to not try to better themselves. At the cost of those who do. And then allow the very rich to escape their taxes….that is the current state of affairs.

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    Simon Paynton
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    Making useful education available to all is probably the best form of welfare.

    You might be right, and also, universal free health care is too.  It makes life so much easier for everyone.  It doesn’t cripple the economy, it probably contributes to it through increased productivity of the citizens.

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    _Robert_
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    Making useful education available to all is probably the best form of welfare.

    You might be right, and also, universal free health care is too. It makes life so much easier for everyone. It doesn’t cripple the economy, it probably contributes to it through increased productivity of the citizens.

    Agreed

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