Donald Trump

[JasonParticipant]

I voted Trump. I was a 1 issue voter. As a life long New Jersey resident (a situation soon to be fixed), my wife and I were crushed by Obamacare. My current job (sales), which I am working my last 5 days at now does not pay well at all. Under Obamacare, my wife and had to pay a fine for not being able to afford healthcare. When added to the taxes we already had to pay, this was crippling. Basically you have a choice to make. Pay rent or a mortgage or pay for healthcare while living in your parents house, not both. I helped to elect Trump out of fear that Clinton would continue the madness. Those of you that think I am wrong, I am sure you and your significant other have healthcare at least mostly covered by your employers. It so happens that where I am about to go, employers pay a lot more and offer family benefits. I will no longer be caring as much about what our wasteful democrats do with healthcare, unless the decide that there needs to be a penalty for having it. Though, I will always remember what it was like to not have it and sympathize with people that get hammered for working yet not being able to get it.

[StregaModerator]

Hi Jason,

out of interest, I imagine you’ve reflected on the new republican health care proposals – do you find that if these were adopted, your situation would have improved (notwithstanding your newer plans to relocate)?

[JasonParticipant]

I have not been able to find any reliable information other than Trump telling the IRS not to fine people for not having it, based on a new healthcare plan being in place. If I can hardly handle my own bills, I don’t need these people telling me that I need to pay a fine and get nothing in return. If they kept it as it was originally that by paying the fine you got some type of minimal healthcare, it would not be as bad.

[StregaModerator]

So you voted Trump in the hope that his healthcare proposal would be better for you?  And yet you don’t seem to have any idea in what way that could happen.  Consequently, you voted for one of Trumps promises?  Mate, I really hope it works out for you, but I’m not holding my breath – so far the republican plan is rattling around in the Senate drawers, as the senators sit and compose their own version which they say will be wildly different.  Economists are currently suggesting that a large number of Americans will lose cover under the version voted out of the House.  The budget implications have not yet been calculated.

I wonder if you will still feel the same by the time the 2020 elections come around….

[JadeBlackOliveParticipant]

Sounds like someone finally has the right take on scump………

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/06/12/politics/donald-trump-cabinet-meeting/index.html

[brodieParticipant]

I find Jason’s situation appalling that he imagines that a man like Trump will provide him and his family with affordable healthcare. I someone from the UK just cant fathom having to worry if you can afford medical treatment. I feel so sorry for people like Jason.

[JasonParticipant]

You don’t seem to understand. I don’t expect Trump or his administration to provide anything for me. Obama certainly didn’t. It would have been $600 a month ($7200 per year) to just get my wife insurance under Obamacare. We put in the time to call and answer the questions. If you have $7200 per year that you won’t miss, by all means send it to me. I expect Trump to not fine me if I can’t pay for health insurance. That is all I ask from our corrupted leftist government. Just because in my new career I will be able to pay for my wife and I to both have insurance, doesn’t mean I have to forgive Obama or forget. There are millions out there that have been hurt by Obama just as badly and have not been able to secure a better position. No healthcare of any kind is better than no healthcare and a heavy fine for not having healthcare.

[David BootsParticipant]

What is weird about the American healthcare system is that it so tied to your job. It got that way because companies were able to claim it as a tax deduction and it was treated as a non-taxable fringe benefit for employees.

It seems very complicated to me. In Australia you pay a 2% tax and it is all basically free. Its not perfect and over half the population has health insurance as well which theoretically speeds up things and gives you more choices.

It is really strange to see something like healthcare become so politicised that no one appears happy with it.

 

[JasonParticipant]

I take your silence to mean you don’t have $7200 per year to spare?

[StregaModerator]

@JasonSimko.

My silence?  I wasn’t aware you were asking a question of me.  Do I have money?  Yes.  Do I have healthcare? Yes.  Would I be prepared to pay more in taxes to enable poorer people to have healthcare? Absolutely.  Do I think healthcare is a human right and there should be a national health service like they have in the U.K. and Canada?  Totally.  Do I understand a system wherein only the rich get healthcare? Hell no.  Am I missing any implied questions in your post?

[JasonParticipant]

I clicked reply on the wrong person. I was talking to Brodie. He was the one that assumed that I thought Trump was going to provide me with cheap affordable healthcare.

[StregaModerator]

Never mind, Jason, I enjoyed replying!

(We are all fumbling to some degree with the new platform.  However, better that, than having a platform that’s succeptible to crash and burn (Ning))

[DavisModerator]

@ It is really strange to see something like healthcare become so politicised that no one appears happy with it.

There are so many cases of “ONLY IN AMERICA” per certain services or rights that the entirety of stable democratic countries have or have not. These are good things and not so good things in the eyes of others. America is full of exceptionalisms and heath care is but one big example.

The praiseworthy:

• An enormous media (literature, cinema, television) that reaches the entire world.
• Home of most of the top 10 universities in the world
• A lack of having to carry around ID with you at all times (some other English speaking countries are in between this)
• Full out freedom of speech (it is limited to some extent in every other developed country including Canada and France)
• The ability to “start-over” by moving to another state and strategically registering oneself in a clever way to escape problems in other states
• A relatively high rate of cultural integration by immigrants
• Thousands of miles of interstate hiways even to small populated areas and dozens of airport hubs with more than one national airline
• An extremely entertaining political system where a scandal or something outrageous happening every single day with various news channels helariously putting extremely diferent spins on everything.
• An enormous variety of choices for most products and services

Stuf that surprises and shocks the rest of the developed world:

• Police in small towns with tanks and SWAT teams, easy access to guns and the “War On Drugs”
• A wall (fence) between itself and a friendly country
• Millions of homeless people congregating in abandoned inner city slums
• Low tax and extreme pressure to further lower it
• Unlimited donations to parties by companies and individuals and only two politcal parties
• Climate change denialism

The thing that horrifies, saddens and confounds those in other developed countries:

• No universal healthcare

How is that possible? Even worse, there is a violent intellectual opposition against even the very very limited kind of health care that Obama was barely able to pull off. Americans pay more per capita on heath care than all other developed countries and yet millions have no coverage and even veterans given limited coverage and next to no free mental health services. As the lovingly obese Michale Moore said: “Who are we”?

• This reply was modified 7 years, 4 months ago by  Davis.
• This reply was modified 7 years, 4 months ago by  Davis.

[MattParticipant]

Spot on, Davis. It has always boggled my mind how the US is simultaneously a first world and third world country (for lack of better terms), and the anti-intellectualism is just astounding.

I can only hope Australia doesn’t follow its normal path and copies the US.

[JasonParticipant]

You say that Obama pulled something off like he did well. The problem with what the leftists are attempting to do is make almost everyone equal, while dropping some to being inferior. In New Jersey (extremely liberal), if you own an apartment building or motel (in some cases hotels) it is illegal for you to deny section 8 people to live there. The jersey shore has been ruined. It is not easy at all to book a motel room any longer, except for really far in advance of when you want to be there. When you arrive and dare to swim in the pool, you have section 8 people with multiple kids that will give you dirty looks as if you are invading their territory. It used to be that foodstamps only got you unprepared food. Now, you can have a sandwich made at quickcheck or order a fully cooked lobster from the local supermarket. If the libs have it their way, the foodstamps would be good everywhere credit cards are accepted (including all restaurants). Obama imposed a fine that only people that actually work for a living have to pay and only if the could not afford health insurance. Those on section 8 obviously would not have to pay it, since the working taxpayers already cover their insurance. Obama screwed a lot of people out of a lot of money. If you think I am wrong, please take into consideration that you probably have health insurance. If you put yourself in our position, I am sure you would see it differently.

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